Posted on 07/02/2010 6:56:08 PM PDT by Desdemona
JA's comments make perfect sense in the context of nonsense rolling out of the Geneva gutters. Catholics are told daily that their dogma is not their dogma, that their Catechism contains and means things completely different from reality, and the personal histories of their clergy have been completely fabricated in the most denigrating of ways and it is all considered fair and open dialog.
Agree?
Absolutely.
Oh, well, I was *assuming* honesty on your part. Perhaps I was mistaken.
Afterthought? Interesting statement. Without going into the whole devotion to Jesus and the Eucharist, let me ask you this: when you read the Catechism and see the proofs, how many of them come from Jesus? When you read such as the Heidelberg Confession, how may of the proofs come from Jesus?
By the time you get through the layers of priests, bishops, cardinals, popes, rules, regulations, sacraments, confessions, communions, rosaries, penances, stations of the cross, saints, burning candles, sprinkling holy water, burning incense, and praying to Mary, you hardly find a mention of Jesus except to portray Him as our *Judge* instead of Savior.
Ah, we get to the meat of it. The Reformed have transformed the meaning of Christianity from obligation to the Lord of Lords by His people to obligation from the Lord of Lords to the self identified elect. You guys think that Jesus is obliged to save you. You guys think that since you have self identified as the elect, that God has no choice except to give you guys the limo ride to Reformed heaven.
Catholicism seems to treat Christ almost as a window dressing, or figurehead to give a stamp of approval or air of respectability and authority to everything else they teach. Talk about teaching the Gospel without Christ. What with all Catholics attribute to Mary alone, there's no need for Christ. Not to mention all the other works that they claim one must do to be saved. There's no room for the blood after all.
Really? If Catholics have dispensed with the blood, then why the emphasis on the Crucifix with blood from His wounds portrayed in vivid detail?
The more time I spend in the presence of the failed Catholics and the Geneva gutter brown hankie clique the more I learn about playing gutterball. I owe you a lot in that regard.
Well, if you had read my posting history and posts on these threads, you would KNOW what I stated about my history.
And since you’ve been on most of the threads that I’ve been on and my posts are there for all to see, you’re going to have a hard time convincing anyone, especially me, that your conclusion was a “mistake”. I’ve made it far too clear on too many threads what my personal history and connections to the Catholic church are.
Appreciate the post. No, there usually isn't a response except occasionally to say that these verses don't apply to the self identified elect.
Those assertions sound extremely rigid and unalterable, to me.
They logically presume that everyone else is identical inside their head and their experiences with your head and your experiences.
Talk about AN ASSUMPTION! SHEESH!
It also seems to me to be inescapable that there is a further assumption that metmom did NOT attend Roman Catholic Mass for umpteen years of her life; nor teach Catechism.
IIRC, metmom has been quite candid about an extensive and very faithful and involved Roman Catholic life.
Now one can pretend that metmom is lying in one’s own head. I’d consider that gross self-deception, however.
Metmom has come across congruent, solid, grounded, rational, honest, candid, and extremely well experienced on every Roman Catholic issue I’ve ever read her comments on. I’d feel the same way if she’d been speaking AGAINST Pentecostalism. That’s just how she comes across, PERIOD.
One can deny that evidence in their own mind and one can make assertions pretending that said denials are truth and facts. That’s FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR from making them so.
I suggest that all those of the RC rabid cliques need to find a more honorable and integrous way of dealing with such truths and facts.
Killing the messenger every time a former RC steps up to the plate is full of folly. It doesn’t take a PhD psychologist to see through such chronic false accusations that are routinely lobbed at the former RC’s.
They have NOT—many of them—have NOT been poorly Catechized. Many, like metmom, IRRC, taught the Catechism with significant praise from both the hierarchy as well as the sheeple.
Pretending otherwise is being dishonest to one’s self with fitting consequences to follow in due course.
I recommend that the Rabic Clique folks Deal with it.
BESIDES ALL THAT,
WE SEE A VERY LONG ENDLESS PARADE OF RC’S ON FR
PUT ALL MANNER, TYPES AND NUMBERS OF THINGS AHEAD OF CHRIST.
WE SEE IT RELENTLESSLY ON THESE THREADS.
IT IS VIVIDLY AND HORRIFICALLY DISPLAYED AND FURTHER DEFENDED AS “CHRISTIAN.”
Sheesh.
Perhaps you’re right, but all anti-Catholics look alike to me. Mea culpa.
That has nothing to do with the post.
You were whining about others skirting the rules and then went on to accuse me of posting *contrived anecdotes*, aka lying, were you not?
How is using the term *contrived ancedotes* not skirting the RF rules of calling people liars?
The whole Catholic Church treats Christ as an afterthought, just a seal of approval and justification for the complex, hierarchical religious organization they have constructed for themselves.
Sure seems that way from where I sit.
I didn’t used to think that. I figured accusations of such were too much Proddy bias.
SEEING SUCH PROVEN DAY IN AND DAY OUT ON THESE THREADS BY THE RC’ THEMSELVES, LEAVES ME NO ROOM FOR DOUBT ANY LONGER.
MORE UNMITIGATED NONSENSE
from UNNATURAL BAWL INC.
With all due respect, how the heck would you or anyone know if anyone was citing the exact Catechism and meaning or simply making it up as they went along without any actual or formal education on the subject?
It seems to me your "objective" brown hankie standard is whether or not what you are being told conforms to your preexisting notions and prejudices.
Wrong mom teaching catechism. It was Rnmomof7, IIRC.
I’m the mom with the priests and nun in the extended family.
But I guess they didn’t get it right either.
we were sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise when we believed. Not going to be. Were. A seal cannot broken, except by the recipient, Jesus Christ. The redemption of the purchased possession. Not going to be. Have been. (BTW, that's eternal security).
And it gives us the way to rightly divide the Word of Truth.(2 Timothy 2:15). TIME PAST...BUT NOW...AGES TO COME..
the mystery of Christ is also discussed in Ephesians. (you know, one of those REVELATIONS Paul received from Christ)
If you are talking about religious persecution, then you might wish to go back and reread the prating about the great religious practices of the American Presbyterian Calvinist colonies versus the reality of the religious intolerance that really were practiced.
The American experience was held up as a beacon of religious freedom, whereas, in reality, religious persecution was as great, if not more so, than in the various countries in Europe - the Calvinist groups leading the way. Read about the Quakers killed by the Puritans in Massachusetts and about William Penn providing safe haven.
It’s fascinating how the RC’s wail and whine to the max about the interminable chronic rock throwing over the sexual scandal under the Vatican umbrella. Yet, the Calvinist thing never gets a rest—year after year—from the RC’s. I’m beginning to think the whole thing is some flavor of a personal vendetta.
Who is whining, Quix? Have I ever complained to a mod? Ask the RM yourself if you do not believe me. The anti Catholic rhetoric from the Reformed and their allies is unbelieveable - it is a throwback to the anti Catholic rhetoric of the mid and late 1800s in the United States and Britain. Yet, I would ask you to provide evidence of me whining in order to back up your statement.
Wonder if he approves of mitigated nonsense
I never thought it would be delightful
to see how
UNMITIGATEDLY WRONG
some folks chronically are.
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