Posted on 07/02/2010 6:56:08 PM PDT by Desdemona
LOL! Isn’t that the truth?!
Thanks. It breaks your heart when you think about it.
And as long as we live we will battle our basic human nature,I believe that in the fullness of time Jesus came to help us find our way back to the Father who created us and desires we all find our way back. While He walked the earth He showed and told us what to expect and how we should act.
I believe Him when He said "I am the Way,the Truth and the Life".Many days,weeks and sometimes even longer ,I forget the Way He walked and stray from the path that allows me to do what He asked,which was to "follow me".
So to answer your question,which was where I placed it,the answer is I place it where it belongs when I get over me and follow Him.
I believe that Natural Law was speaking of the Republic and its design, not the individual colonies. I was speaking of the brutality of the Calvinist American colonies to the Baptists and, as it turns out, to the Quakers, Catholics, and anybody else for that matter. The colonies in Rhode Island, Pennsylvania and Maryland were the most tolerant of non Calvinist religious practice. The most hostile was Massachusetts, which to many people, means a Catholic area. If you read the religious history, the Catholics did not become a leading religion in the area until several hundred years after its founding.
Why do you think that the 1st Amendment was enacted? To put the Quakers in order?
Yep.
Born and raised Catholic, and worked with many.
Had enough of Catholic hypocrisy to last me a lifetime and the attitudes and treatment of others displayed by several Catholics on these threads just reinforces the conviction that my observations are correct; that nothing has changed in the Catholic church since Catholics gave me such good reason to leave it.
The popes didn't wait that long.......
Shhhhh...
The prosperity gospel is a Protestant thing.
LOLLOL! They were on it INSTANTLY!
Catholics believe Scripture when it says that:
John 3: 14 And just as Moses lifted up 5 the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 6 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life." 16 For God so loved the world that he gave 7 his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn 8 the world, but that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 9 And this is the verdict, that the light came into the world, but people preferred darkness to light, because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come toward the light, so that his works might not be exposed. 21 But whoever lives the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be clearly seen as done in God. God purposes to save the world, but will only save those who live the truth and not do wicked deeds.
Matthew 7: 1 1 2 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged. 2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. 3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? 5 You hypocrite, 3 remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye. 6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, 4 or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces. 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Which one of you would hand his son a stone when he asks for a loaf of bread, 5 10 or a snake when he asks for a fish? 11 If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good things to those who ask him. 12 6 "Do to others whatever you would have them do to you. This is the law and the prophets.
Do unto others and this is how you will be Judged by Him.
Matthew 24: 11 Many false prophets will arise and deceive many; 12 and because of the increase of evildoing, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved. We have seen the rising of the ravagers of the Reformation and the rabble of the Restoration. There are many of us Catholics (and more every day) that are persevering to the end. If once saved, always saved, there is no need to persevere, and so the message of Calvin in yet another way directly contradicts the Word (Jesus).
Matthew 16: 19 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, 20 take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 21 26 What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life? 27 22 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father's glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct.
We Catholics have evangelized as much of the world as we can and still a major mission is to evangelize. The converts in Asia and Africa are overwhelming. What shall God Judge the works of the Calvinists on? Their own Gnostic belief that they are on the limo ride to Heaven and He must acquiese to them.
Luke 12: 43 Blessed is that servant whom his master on arrival finds doing so. 44 Truly, I say to you, he will put him in charge of all his property. 45 But if that servant says to himself, 'My master is delayed in coming,' 9 and begins to beat the menservants and the maidservants, to eat and drink and get drunk, 46 then that servant's master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the unfaithful. 47 That servant who knew his master's will but did not make preparations nor act in accord with his will shall be beaten severely; 48 and the servant who was ignorant of his master's will but acted in a way deserving of a severe beating shall be beaten only lightly. Much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more.
Jesus says here that those who act against their Master's will will suffer extreme punishment. In other words, they will be Judged upon their actions.
Luke 14: 7 4 He told a parable to those who had been invited, noticing how they were choosing the places of honor at the table. 8 "When you are invited by someone to a wedding banquet, do not recline at table in the place of honor. A more distinguished guest than you may have been invited by him, 9 and the host who invited both of you may approach you and say, 'Give your place to this man,' and then you would proceed with embarrassment to take the lowest place. 10 Rather, when you are invited, go and take the lowest place so that when the host comes to you he may say, 'My friend, move up to a higher position.' Then you will enjoy the esteem of your companions at the table. 11 For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted." 12 Then he said to the host who invited him, "When you hold a lunch or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or your wealthy neighbors, in case they may invite you back and you have repayment. 13 Rather, when you hold a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind; 14 blessed indeed will you be because of their inability to repay you. For you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous."
The Lord will repay us for our works. Not the limo ride versus the frogmarch to hell. But I forgot; the Reformed have no Christ in their Christianity. Therefore, let us read:
Romans 2: 1 1 Therefore, you are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment. 2 For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself, since you, the judge, do the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true. 3 Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you hold his priceless kindness, forbearance, and patience in low esteem, unaware that the kindness of God would lead you to repentance? 5 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, 6 who will repay everyone according to his works: 3 7 eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, 8 but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. 9 Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek.
Even Paul disagrees with you guys. There is more than a limo ride. You quote Ephesians 1, for instance. Does the Reformation have a clue as to who Paul posted to and why and what meaning he attached to these verses?
Petulance as opposed to true dogmatic differences is not a good reason to abandon the Church. It does explain the lack of clarity and understanding of the Catechism and dogma.
Thank you very much for the lively discussion but I won’t be able to get to your numerous posts today. Maybe tomorrow, or failing that, over the weekend.
One man’s ‘petulance’ is another man’s calling by the Holy Spirit.
It is an interesting limo ride too since only the chauffeur knows the actual destination. Predestination presupposes the salvation of the good and the reprobation of the wicked. Predestination then implies that God commands the impossible when He calls all to salvation, even those he has already rejected. This may apply to the God of Calvin and Mohammad, but no one gets punked by the One true Christian God.
You just cannot help yourself, can you? Does the Reformation have a clue as to who Paul posted to and why and what meaning he attached to these verses?
Pray tell us. We are waiting for your enlightenment on the subject.
The God of Calvin and Mohammed; one and the same. Very few people understand that one prophet (Mohammed) preceded the other (Calvin). Very good.
Nobody gets punked by God. You may have coined a Christian phrase here.
Thank you kindly.
I understand what the Catholic church really teaches and my observations of Catholic lifestyle demonstrate that there is little or no connection between what they claim to believe and the practical everyday working out of their faith and that goes for the man on the street to the priests who molest children to the bishops and popes who are slack in dealing with said priests.
The way you talk to and about others is continuing evidence that none of the hypocrisy I’ve observed Catholics engaging in has changed one iota.
Yes, and, what is your point? Or do you have one, really...
Yes, and, what is your point? Or do you have one, really...
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