Posted on 07/02/2010 6:56:08 PM PDT by Desdemona
Great. Just great. We've been arguing with Pangloss.
Cheers!
Bullsh*t.
Chemical formulae don't due justice to Smetana's The Moldau or (for that matter) to my wife's legs.
Poetry is required.
And with poetry, the heart.
With the heart, gratitude towards the Maker.
Nice try, though.
Like, wow, dude.
I didn't know Journolist was around back then...
Cheers!
I liken our abilities to riding a bicycle on a train.
We’re peddling and we’re moving through time and space. We’re exerting effort.
But God is the conductor driving the train and we go where he takes us.
Where did I say anything disrespectful about anoyone's work? You are quite correct that the work to understand and celebrate nature is noble calling. Just do not put the center of it in a hole. Geometrically, it may be there. Mystically, not at all. Do you understand the difference?
In order to be more like God, in Whom simplicity and majesty coincide.
The childlike faith that Christ praised is not the same as superstitious belief in one's pastor's interpretation of scripture. That is, indeed, allowing men to control you.
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Isn't it what I said in 1591? "The saints are all who are in heaven, but not all believers because we are not saved by our beliofs only".
Is His own death and resurrection for your sins thus minor?
Yes, that is there as well, and bmy bet is, that limitation is put there by God for a reason.
But I was talking about the fact that you with all these limitation had God come and save you. This makes you mystically the center of the created world.
LOL!!! GMTA!
(Dear Sisters, you are going to love grey_whiskerss' comment #1680!)
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I would reverse the order -- but we are in basic agreement.
In fact, if you check out this graphic <FreepMail with private URL headed your way> , you will see that I have put quite a bit of thought into the concept of "centrism" -- of various "flavors" -- being at the root of many divergent, polarized religious positions.
[You have been given access to a ""Privileged Draft" of a work-in-process. Please do not share it with anyone else!]
The graphic is the penultimate layer in a a PowerPoint-like 'progressive-build slide' "stack" that begins with the tiny foetus in its circular "womb" -- floating alone in a featureless, black 'universe'. Next, primitive self-awareness ["i am" (lower case)] appears, and the development builds outward from there.
At this penultimate stage, (as shown here) our Creator/I AM appears as a blue background, and in the final view, His presence is extended to cover the entire field -- with all the "centrisms" only dimly visible thru the (slightly transparent) deep blue "omnipresnce" of "I AM."...
When I'm fully satisfied with it, I may convert it to a "QuickTime" movie. Who knows -- it and others that I have shared with bb & A-G may wind up as elements in a longer movie (embryonic title, "is Your God Big Enough?") -- possibly exported in YouTube format...
Right now, before "unveiling" it in ongoing discussions here, I'm still working on "wrapping words (narration) around it"...
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Ladies, I consider myself to be an iconoclast, but, here I sit -- 'creating' my own version of "modern iconography"... What fun!!!
Being child like can have both good and bad connotations.
Intended to include you two in the addresee list for #1692...
I think the point is a child sees things directly, without filtering reality through a whole ton of preconceived notions, and trying to adjust his "reality" to fit their terms.
Just 'cause I think it's interesting: What sounds good, harmony, are (small) even number divisions of the wavelength/frequency. At first man liked, or considered harmony as 1/1 division, then added octaves, 1/2 ratios, the 1/3, 1/4. As we get to modern jazz, what is considered harmony goes much further out - but this sounds discordant to many.
This relationship of math rations and beauty is part of what fascinated Pythagorus, the music of the sphere folks, etc.
That's trivial.
From John Donne's Batter My Heart, Three-Personed God:
I, like an usurpt towne, to'another due,
Labour to'admit you, but Oh, to no end,
Reason your viceroy in mee, mee should defend,
But is captiv'd, and proves weake or untrue.
We must be "born again" and "become like a little child" precisely *because* our faculties have become corrupted: and we must needs re-grow into a proper relationship with God.
Whether this will lead to felix culpa in time, then eternity; and the surface conflict between Romans 3:8 and Romans 8:28 is another matter: hint, the difference is "let *us* do evil" vs. "GOD works all things" -- the primary agent is different in either case; and one is looking at time as we experience it, the other from the lens of eternity...
Cheers!
Yep, and to remove the ego, to see what is and be aware.
Alex: In order to be more like God, in Whom simplicity and majesty coincide
Yes, good answer, but this is how the Church sees it, where child-like is another way of saying pure which would certainly be God-like.
Notice, I asked the Protestant crowd, rather then the Church crowd, for that interpretation knowing they don't see children as "pure" but as destined to hell from the moment of their conception.(Funny, Christ thought they were fit for heaven!)
Protestants, by necessity, see being chil-like as naïve, not pure; gullible. Their faith is based entirely on a book that reads like magic, and some even refer to God as their (big) "Daddy."
What becomes then of Job 38:7, or even the medieval "music of the spheres" ...?
Nice try, though.
Cheers!
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