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To: blasater1960

My dear blasater1960 you just don’t get it. And you don’t hear what Daniel is saying. Are you going to do better than those of whom Daniel speaks? Are you that contemptuous of those who went before him? Are you that confident in your own innate ability to do what they could not?


515 posted on 07/05/2010 5:15:22 PM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: Belteshazzar
you just don’t get it

How right you are. IMO, some are determined to learn the hard way and then will be looking for someone to blame when it's too late and the fall guy will be laughing. And all of their own doing.
516 posted on 07/05/2010 6:16:04 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Belteshazzar
My dear Daniel: This is what happens when the goyim try to tell us what our bible says. The bible says the exact opposite of what you are saying.

Deut 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14But the word is very near unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

The secret things belong unto the Lord our God; but the things that are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law. (Deuteronomy 29:28

The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast forever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness. (Psalm 111:7-8)

Psalm 119 King david spends 176 verses, the longest chapter in all the bible, extoling the virtues of the law....the delight of the law.

And in the messianic era:

And I shall give them one heart, and shall put a new spirit within them. And I shall take the heart of stone out of their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in My statutes and keep My ordinances, and do them. Then they will be My people, and I shall be their God. (Ezekiel 11:19-20)

My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. (Ezekiel 37:24)

And many peoples shall come, and say: "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths," for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:3)

And even the gentiles will have to be circumsized to enter the sanctuary in the messianic era.

17For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; 18Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

20In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD's house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:

So, there you have a sample of what is to come.

So, if the law is flawed why is it still in the messianic era?

If the sacrificial system is flawed, why is it returning in the messianic era? Why do the gentiles come to learn the law? the law from Zion?

You think G-d gave us the law and for 1500 years until Jesus let us struggle....just to prove a point...that we cant do it by the law....even though He said we can. We'll from all the scripture above you can see that isnt the case. The law is perfect. For G-d to do what you are saying would make him a duplicitous and perfidious god.

518 posted on 07/05/2010 7:52:42 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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