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To: Zionist Conspirator
No it isn't. If it isn't authorized by the Torah, it is illegitimate.

Then is it your opinion that the prophets of Israel are illegitimate?

The whole of the Hebrew Bible is not authorized by the Torah.

The only reason you believe the "new testament" fulfills prophecy is because it says it does. But what if it's wrong?

To the contrary. I spend more time in the Old Covenant than I do in the New. It is the first Covenant prophets that i refer to.

How do you know the "new testament" is the word of G-d at all and thus to be believed when it claims to be a fulfillment of prophecy?

each book, any book of any kind is not made holy by some canonization process, be it Judaic or Christian. God's "signature" is on His scribes, and on His prophets. Word is entwined with Prophecy, and each bears witness to the other.

From there, it must be built upon the foundation of the Torah, and the Prophets. New cannot disregard old, or make it null.

This method defies the Koran and the Book of Mormon, but it does not deny the New Covenant. At least, not in my opinion.

380 posted on 07/04/2010 5:49:18 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1
Then is it your opinion that the prophets of Israel are illegitimate?

The whole of the Hebrew Bible is not authorized by the Torah.

You are quite correct to recognize the distinction between the Torah (the direct, unmediated Word of G-d) and all other scriptures. However, the Torah commands one to heed prophets. However, this does not extend to a "prophet" who would end or replace the Torah (and please spare me the word games about how "J*sus fulfilled the Torah, he didn't replace it").

Everything in the Hebrew Bible other than the Torah had to be canonized by a human authority. As a matter of fact, there were many more prophets and many, many prophecies in ancient Jewish history. The ones we have in the Hebrew Bible today were canonized for all time precisely because they have not yet been fulfilled. Once their prophecies have come to pass they will still be available but no longer be necessary. Only the Torah is eternal.

each book, any book of any kind is not made holy by some canonization process, be it Judaic or Christian. God's "signature" is on His scribes, and on His prophets. Word is entwined with Prophecy, and each bears witness to the other.

You are wrong! Only the Torah was directly written by G-d Himself and dictated letter-for-letter. The Prophecies and Hagiographa were written in the words of the human authors. Plus there have always been many religious books that have claimed to be scripture. Do you know why decides what is and what is not Scripture? The duly-constituted religious authority, that is who. I accept the Na"KH because I accept the authority, under the Torah, of the Men of the Great Assembly who compiled and canonized it.

New cannot disregard old, or make it null.

Then we don't need a "new" testament or a chr*stian religion. If you accept them then you must accept the religious authority of the ecclesiastical bodies that canonized them.

386 posted on 07/04/2010 6:24:00 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Neqom niqmat Beney Yisra'el me'et haMidyanim; 'achar te'asef 'el-`ammeykha.)
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To: roamer_1

INDEED. WELL PUT. THX.


389 posted on 07/04/2010 7:12:43 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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