Posted on 06/15/2010 6:38:10 AM PDT by bkaycee
If you can find a cross there, you can find "up" in "down."
You can’t have it both ways.
If the Councils have any force at all, you must recognise that they were legitimate for all Christians.
Non-Catholic christians are bound by them. I’m talking about Chalcedon, Ephesus, Nicaea, and Constantinople.
They are entirely optional. Some include them, some do not.
There’s also a prayer to St. Michael the Archangel, but I’ve never seen a protestant argue that we are worshiping St. Michael.
I don’t really see how the rosary is ‘praying to mary’, when it acknowledges Christ as Lord.
HaHa...That's already been done including the treatises from your former popes who emphatically state that there is no Salvation outside of your particular religion...
We've been there and done that...You should see the back-pedaling by your side in those instances...
Why then did Christ leave his Apostles?
Do you read Luke?
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luke 1:28.
Right in the King James.
I thought you were sola scriptura? You sure don’t seem to be. Why do you have a problem saying Hail Mary when she is addressed as such?
“treatises from your former popes who emphatically state that there is no Salvation outside of your particular religion”
Which treatises do you refer?
Once saved, always saved? There are two possible answers to that question. Yes and No. Actually three (I do not know)
But, many "sola faiths" purport to know the answer from Scripture alone. Some say Yes. Some say No.
Elaborating on subtler distinctions is hardly “backpedaling.”
That’s the problem with you people, you’re so legalistic, if it isn’t “lyin’, cheatin’, or stealin’,” you can’t find the sin. Conversely, you’ll split a congregation over women wearing pants!
Ah ... the Bereans were already believers.
Where does it say *that?*
John 16:5-15 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asks me, Where go you? 6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send him to you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and you see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show it to you.”
Christ left the Apostles so that the Holy Spirit would come and in earlier passages, to “prepare a place for” his chidren.
Acts 17.11 ...
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
NIV
You can't, but I'm not a Catholic, being one of the 'Lutherists' to use your expression. To the extent that something Scriptural came from these councils, I accept it. I'm not bound nor is any other Christian bound by the twenty-eight disciplinary canons of Chalcedon for instance.
Frankly, I'm surprised you didn't include Trent.
Yes and Daniel was also told he was highly favored and loved when he was given prophetic messages concerning the end times; it doesn’t mean he was going to be co-emperor with God. Neither can you justify the creating of a whole Mary co-redeemer mythos out of what the angel said to Mary, from this scriptural context. The angel certainly didn’t bow to Mary the way Catholics do!(though given enough time, the Vatican might certainly traditionalize again and declare that 10,000 angels swirled around Mary, bowing and singing in loving adoration, perhaps Gabriel will have organized a “kickline”!)
Hail simply meant “Greetings!” in this context!
Excuse me...where do you see anything about being believers already in Acts17:11?
This comment betrays your fundimental failure to grasp Catholic theology. This Scripture is cited as an anecdote, not a justification. Holy Tradition is our justification, not Scripture: just like trinitarian theology.
The existence of the Jehovah's Witnesses is irrefutable evidence trinitarian theology can be easily ignored when its only foundation is Scripture.
So far as Catholics are concerned, there isn't a dime's difference in your philosophical approach, and theirs.
Not sure if channeling Mary is any better than "praying" to her.
Nahhhh, just expressing an opinion....channeling is so 1980’s new age....so “Out on a Limb” as it were, so Shirley “McLame”!
Not my problem, never claimed she was a co-mediator. Mary is an intercessor, not the mediator so no problem there. Maybe the problem is that you imagine things and then project that on others.
So why is she called that then???
Revelation 12:1-17. I also call her mother, so should you.
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