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580 Reasons (& counting) Why You Should Leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints [II]
Life After Ministries ^ | 2007

Posted on 06/13/2010 6:28:26 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: T Minus Four

He would be looked at funny. But if he showed up in jeans and t-shirt that would be a whole other story.


241 posted on 06/14/2010 12:43:10 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: MindBender26
P.S. Most dangerous words I have ever heard: “You can trust me. I'm a Christian businessman!”

That's because the MORMON that made the statement was LYING!

242 posted on 06/14/2010 12:43:27 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
- Because I have never been one of those. I was LDS for many years.
My experience and my burden is for the LDS.

Oh... kinda like being sent to the "lost sheep of Israel?"

243 posted on 06/14/2010 12:45:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Yeah. You seem back to ‘normal’. Feeling better?


244 posted on 06/14/2010 12:46:33 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut; Normandy

Really? So according to the LDS story, there were 24 “apostles” on the earth at one time?

So do the LDS have 12 here in the Americas and 12 in the Middle east, so as to be just their scriptures claim it was?


245 posted on 06/14/2010 12:48:08 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: reaganaut; Normandy
What about the 3 Nephites, did they have the priesthood?

Or the apostle John.

Mormons claim all four of them have been alive for 2,000 years.
What authority was "lost" in need of "restoration" if Christ had 4 authoritative reps on earth?.
What? One 14 yo was better than 4 almost 1,900 years old?
So these 4 had over 7,500 years of living experience between them, and two unnamed "personages" came down & decided to go for pimples & puberty, ignoring the stature and tenure of these four?
How do you think John and these three Nephites felt being grouped together as part of a "universal apostasy?" (What part of the word "universal" excludes them?)

Or, could it be, you believe both the Book of Mormon & D&C passages on these four were false?

246 posted on 06/14/2010 12:49:49 PM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Colofornian

WHAT? LDS believe the apostle John is still alive? Where has he been hanging out?


247 posted on 06/14/2010 12:52:38 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion: one dead, one wounded.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
 

We see these attacks on conservative Christians in all the Forums..

 

If you wish; you may travel to a large, western city in the United States, a thriving community where a certain religion has been entrenched in power for over a century.

There, in it's very heart, you may find MAGNIFICENT buildings and gardens and statues.  One of those statues has a portion of THIS piece of MORMON Scripture upon it:



http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
 

 

248 posted on 06/14/2010 12:53:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
I find this “Plan of Salvation” has many similarities to Freemasonry and also The UFO Alien Cults.....(Pre-mortal life) even the satanic Occults have degrees of advancement such as represented here in the Mormon plan.....very interesting indeed. And all of these have the marks of counterfeit Christianity, which satan loves to deceive men by.

One of satans main deceptions is to wipe out the belief that he exists and that there is no hell. For obvious reasons.... Another is to occupy people in levels of advancement by working their way up their ladder.... and the “secrecy” of them so as to make people think they are “special”....

New Age/Hinduism and the like are also an endless file of steps and proceedures to the next level.......which all flies in the face that the Gospel of Christ is open and available to any who would come to Christ...by faith...not what they accomplish. Otherwise the cross no longer has meaning when one climbs the “ladder” of churchianity within any church body....it's null and void then.

“Christ in me the hope of Glory” is just that and that alone.

249 posted on 06/14/2010 12:55:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: Tennessee Nana

Now they want to take it back and do revisionist work on the name calling history of three years ago...

Just as they want to take back the liberal abortion pushing Romney’s words, actions and liberal policy signing of past years...

George Orwell would be thrilled..

 

Oh; they want to 'disappear' much more of their past than that!




 
 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.

 


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.



250 posted on 06/14/2010 12:55:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T Minus Four

25 if you include Paul.


251 posted on 06/14/2010 12:56:57 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four

Actually the Book of Mormon records that Christ chose twelve disciples on the American continent. It never refers to them as apostles.


252 posted on 06/14/2010 12:57:35 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Colofornian

What? One 14 yo was better than 4 almost 1,900 years old?

- - - -
Sounds like something out of “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade”.


253 posted on 06/14/2010 12:57:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four; Colofornian

WHAT? LDS believe the apostle John is still alive? Where has he been hanging out?

- - - -
He has a condo in Independence, Missouri.


254 posted on 06/14/2010 12:58:37 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Tennessee Nana
We wear the slur as a badge of courage and honor...

Legions of vapid little salivating ankle snappers, furiously typing at their keyboards, have failed to shut us up: I wonder why that is??


 
 

2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.


Looky there!

It appears that we CHRSTIANS have mission!

(I've spent MORE than 2 years here on FR, doing MY mission work - how 'bout the REST of you fellow Inmen?)

255 posted on 06/14/2010 1:00:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Instead of them defending their faith, they spew vitrol, accuse of us lies (and never point out what they are) and ‘insult’ us by calling us ‘fundys’.

NO!!!

What about #11 and #13 in the MORMON creed: the Articles of Faith?

256 posted on 06/14/2010 1:01:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy

Actually the Book of Mormon records that Christ chose twelve disciples on the American continent. It never refers to them as apostles.

- - - -
But the book of Mormon equates them with the 12 in Jerusalem who also often just called disciples. LDS study helps and your leaders have equated them also.

Now, did they or did they NOT have the priesthood?


257 posted on 06/14/2010 1:03:43 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Saundra Duffy
 
Jesus suffered and died for us, too, and we love Him.
 
 
Evidently; Saundra, you've not be a MORMON very long, or you would KNOW (like I do and have NEVER been Mormon) that 'loving JESUS' just ain't quite enough...

 


 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 
 

258 posted on 06/14/2010 1:04:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: T Minus Four

Ping to 257

3 Nephi 28, iirc.


259 posted on 06/14/2010 1:04:22 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four; Colofornian
WHAT? LDS believe the apostle John is still alive? Where has he been hanging out?

Wait a minute, wait a minute - whos on first again?

260 posted on 06/14/2010 1:04:25 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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