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To: boatbums; rbmillerjr; Iscool; RnMomof7; Quix
if we are relying on our own works to save us in any way, then we are not really putting our trust in Christ.

That is the chief absurdity of it, because it doesn't follow.

We rely on our works as well as on our faith because Christ told us so. Eph 2:8-10, Mt. 5-7, Mt 25, Rm 2:6-10.

But the idea that since the works of the law are not salvific we should feel free to violate the Ten Commandments was pretty funny too.

952 posted on 06/21/2010 5:07:06 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
We rely on our works as well as on our faith because Christ told us so. Eph 2:8-10, Mt. 5-7, Mt 25, Rm 2:6-10.
But the idea that since the works of the law are not salvific we should feel free to violate the Ten Commandments was pretty funny too.

No, Christ never did tell us that. You have been told that is how to interpret his teaching, but the absurdity is thinking our works can "buy" our salvation. If that were the case, why did Christ have to die?

Galatians 2:20-21
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Why would you want to frustrate or set-aside the grace of God, anyway? Please go back to my post, which was a response to yours differentiating "salvific" works from what you called the "Hebrew Law". My point was the ten commandments WERE part of the Hebrew Law and by YOUR reasoning, were not salvific so it followed they were not necessary for salvation. I thought that reasoning WAS pretty funny, which was why I mentioned it. Does that clear it up some?

974 posted on 06/21/2010 6:49:22 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: annalex; boatbums; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...
BOATBUMS:
if we are relying on our own works to save us in any way, then we are not really putting our trust in Christ.

That is the chief absurdity of it, because it doesn't follow.

We rely on our works as well as on our faith because Christ told us so. Eph 2:8-10, Mt. 5-7, Mt 25, Rm 2:6-10.

NO! CHRIST did NOT tell us so in any of those Scriptures, at all. Twisting them into a Gordian knot does not make it so.

Yet again we see the Vatican edifice's rabid clique version of RUBBER LOGIC AND RUBBER SET THEORY. Here, they seem to be ABSOLUTELY INSISTING that

MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE THINGS ARE

NOT
.
REALLY
MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

RIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHT--in the Vatican's special edition of Alice's Rabbit Hole!

HINT:

Paul makes abundantly clear . . . as does even James--that CHRIST ALONE is the source of our FREE GIFT OF SALVATION GRANTED ON OUR ACCEPTANCE OF SAME IN FAITH, TRUSTING GOD MEANT WHAT HE SAID ABOUT IT AND THAT IT IS DEPENDABLE--AS UTTERLY DEPENDABLE AS GOD IS. As Hebrews puts it--then it is ACCOUNTABLE UNTO the individual AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

FAITH, THE MIND, HEART CONVICTION THAT SOMETHING NOT SEEN BUT HOPED CONFIDENTLY FOR, IS TRUE. BORN OF HOLY SPIRIT GIFTED FAITH WITHIN US.

SAYING

THAT

THAT ALONE

IS EQUAL TO

THAT !!!!!!PLUS!!!!!!
ANYTHING ELSE

IS ABSURDITY TO THE MAX.

That's equal to saying that 1 + 0 & 1 + 4
BOTH EQUAL 1!

The Vatican rubber math book strikes again!

985 posted on 06/21/2010 7:14:18 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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