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To: Iscool
The will of God is to believe on His Son...

Yes, that's the truncated gospel message under discussion. The majority of Christianity teaches that you must believe on His Son and you must practice brotherly kindness and love, as Scripture tells us. It's not either/or.

Jesus says that if we repent and turn to Jesus, we are no longer in condemnation...I believe Jesus...

But don't neglect the rest of the gospel message. Pick up your cross daily. I'm sure you must have read that Christ calls for a radical conversion, not just a "faith declaration". Without love, we are nothing. Without faith, we cannot love properly. Separating faith from love is senseless and is against His teachings.

You nor your religion are afforded that privilege to judge other people

That's why I don't. I thought we were discussing, not judging.

God judges the heart.

And in that heart there better be charity.

879 posted on 06/21/2010 8:24:08 AM PDT by Titanites
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To: Titanites; Iscool
But don't neglect the rest of the gospel message. Pick up your cross daily. I'm sure you must have read that Christ calls for a radical conversion, not just a "faith declaration". Without love, we are nothing. Without faith, we cannot love properly. Separating faith from love is senseless and is against His teachings.

Picking up your cross is not a part of THE gospel, it is IN a gospel ...there is a difference ..The gospel is repent and believe ... That is the GOOD news

Our faith is not in a public declaration.. it is faith in the grace of God and His faithfulness to His word

Only the saved can exhibit the Love of Christ.. the unsaved hate Christ, hate the gospel, they exhibit a kind of love, but not the Love of God ..it is a self love .

Can I ask you what you have faith in? What faith does your "love "flow from? It can not be faith in Christ as your savior, because you see that as conditional ..Is it faith that your works will be sufficient? faith that obeying the laws of the church and receiving the sacraments will save you?

889 posted on 06/21/2010 9:52:27 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Titanites
I'm sure you must have read that Christ calls for a radical conversion, not just a "faith declaration".

Nope...haven't read that...Know why??? Cause it's not there...

A faith declaration??? Folks that have turned to Jesus by faith have not made a declaration...Well maybe to you guys they have since you don't seem to understand the principal...

These people have turned to Jesus, to trust Him for their eternal destiny...It's not a flesh thing...It comes from deep within a man's spirit...

But I must assume that since you don't seem to grasp this that the Catholic formula is a 'faith declaration' PLUS good deeds...

We don't do a 'radical conversion'...We are not required to make a radical conversion...Jesus makes the radical conversion...And sometimes it's not so visible to other sinning Christians...

And in that heart there better be charity.

More law, eh??? You guys can't seem to get away from the law...

I don't have to do anything to be a child of God other than believe in His Son, call on His Son and confess His Son...Jesus will do a good work in me...

920 posted on 06/21/2010 1:25:56 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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