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To: annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; small voice in the wilderness; Quix; boatbums
"Eph. 2:8ff teaches salvation by grace alone, but not by faith alone, since it lists good works alongside the faith. “Grace Alone” is the correct Catholic doctrine.

The two solas are counterscriptural error, no matter how long you take to explain them. That is not “obsession” to point out gross error, especially on the thread where demands to point out the priesthood in the scripture were made and answered.'

Had to reprint this just so the audience can enjoy the number of errors that can be crammed in so little space.

Paul, the writer of Eph. 2:8ff, does not include any works as a part of salvation, but it is astonishing that someone with a straight face can claim to rewrite his theology. You do have a straight face don't you? Paul specifically excludes any works so that no one from the Catholic Church cas boast, as they are doing. Okay, I added that simply because it was true, not because Paul said it. He did specifically exclude works of any sort. The good works he refers to FOLLOWING salvation is those that Father has prepared us to walk in. Notice...after.

The Catholic doctrine is incorrect. But, here again it would require reading the Scriptura and recognizing that the reason it needs to be Sola is because this kind of screwed up addition/mutilation/mangilation (is that a word?) of the perfectly understandable text. Understandable by anyone who has had the scales removed and that likely explains a lot.

The two solas are not counterscriptural (I KNOW you made that word up). And we don't need to take long to explain them because those who are being rescued understand them perfectly.

230 posted on 06/16/2010 5:39:34 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; small voice in the wilderness; Quix; boatbums
Paul, the writer of Eph. 2:8ff, does not include any works as a part of salvation

8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, that no man may glory [or boast]. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them. (Eph. 2)

There you go. Salvation comes solely from grace. Faith and good works deliver the salvation, but not faith alone. Yes, works done under an obligation of the law, like the works of circumcision and the like, or for a reward (monetary or social like in boasting) have nothing to do with salvation.

Read the scripture closely and you will become Catholic or Orthodox, and leave the Protestant deception behind.

237 posted on 06/16/2010 6:02:40 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Dutchboy88

Bingo!...opps there I am talking catholic again... +++grin++


264 posted on 06/16/2010 7:50:48 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dutchboy88; annalex; Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; small voice in the wilderness; Quix
"Eph. 2:8ff teaches salvation by grace alone, but not by faith alone, since it lists good works alongside the faith. “Grace Alone” is the correct Catholic doctrine.

Getting caught up with the posts on this thread that started on Sunday - what the heck was I doing that I missed this???

You are quite right DB88. I would hope the writer of that little ditty would give it a second look and realize just how convoluted the thinking is. If Grace alone is the correct Catholic doctrine then I am curious how "grace" is even defined. Does it not mean "unmerited favor", undeserved mercy???

Romans 5:1-2
Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

According to Wikipedia, Hinduism holds to the idea that grace was not a gift from God, but rather must be earned. This sounds alot more like what Roman Catholics believe than what Scripture clearly teaches. Maybe there will always be this divide between Catholics and other non-Catholic Christian faiths. We don't even agree on what "grace" actually is much less sola fide, yet someone is right and someone is wrong. It cannot be a relative term.

287 posted on 06/16/2010 8:47:06 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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