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To: boatbums

You must have me confused with some one else?

Traditions came first the Gospels came after Christ’s death.The early Christians were following traditions of Christ before ANYTHING was written about him

This is a fact, like it or not.

Solo Scripture did not apply to the earliest Christians


2,154 posted on 06/27/2010 7:53:04 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi
Tell, me stfassisi, does the following sound familar:

Traditions of the Apostles came first, the Scriptures came next. God gave His Gospel orally first. The Apostles gave it to others orally first. The Scriptures didn't come until AT LEAST ten years later, if we believe that an Aramaic version of Matthew was written in the early 40's. Thus, the first ten years at least saw Christianity spread without any Gospel writings, any Epistles, etc. Later, when these same men of God wrote letters and the narratives of the Gospels, they naturally taught the SAME thing that they taught orally earlier to others. Thus, the oral teachings preceded the written ones, and the written ones did not overturn the oral ones.

I am responding to your post questioning whether the very words of Jesus were contained in the Gospel of Luke. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit inspired the writings of scripture or not? Do you believe Jesus told his disciples that the Holy Spirit would bring to their remembrance all the things he had taught them? If you do, and it sure sounds like you do since the above quote was from YOU, then I cannot see how you can deny the teachings of Christ concerning Hades from Luke 16.

2,157 posted on 06/27/2010 8:16:43 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
Traditions came first the Gospels came after Christ’s death.The early Christians were following traditions of Christ before ANYTHING was written about him

The early Christians were taught the faith by the epistles which were written during the time immediately after Christ's death,and are therefore contemporary to the beginning of the new church. Paul was selected to be the Catechist of the new church

Actually the gospels are Old Testament because they were written about a time when the Law was still in effect and before the declaration of the new testament and the death and resurrection of Christ .

They tell of the life of Jesus and that He kept the law perfectly for us..

2,164 posted on 06/27/2010 8:53:23 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: stfassisi; boatbums
Solo Scripture did not apply to the earliest Christians

There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source. For just as a man if he wishes to be skilled in the wisdom of this world, will find himself unable to get at it in any other way than by mastering the dogmas of philosophers, so all of us who wish to practise piety will be unable to learn its practice from any other quarter than the oracles of God. Whatever things then the Holy Scriptures declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach these let us learn." (Against the Heresy of One Noetus, 9)

Athanasius wrote:
"Vainly then do they run about with the pretext that they have demanded Councils for the faith's sake; for divine Scripture is sufficient above all things; but if a Council be needed on the point, there are the proceedings of the Fathers, for the Nicene Bishops did not neglect this matter, but stated the doctrines so exactly, that persons reading their words honestly, cannot but be reminded by them of the religion towards Christ announced in divine Scripture" (De Synodis, 6)

Cyril of Jerusalem wrote:
"For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures." (Lecture 4:17)

Even if nobody had advocated sola scriptura before the Reformation, the truth would remain the truth. The scriptures are the only apostolic material we have today. As such, they're the voice of the apostles, and they speak louder than all other traditions.

2,168 posted on 06/27/2010 9:09:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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