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To: kosta50
Yes, and what so many Protestants forget is that, by necessity, his human nature remains hidden except in his passion. In order for Jesus (the man) never to sin, his human will had to be subordinated to his divine will at all times, and was therefore never expressed as something separate or discernible (except perhaps for a fleeting moment in the Garden of Gethsemane)

And that is a matter that I do not believe that we as humans on earth will ever truly understand. Presumably we will understand after our own resurrection, else it will not matter to us then. For now, we have God in incarnate form, called Jesus, reaching down to man on his own level.

Subtle but significant.

From the earliest Christian writings to today, sometimes much more than subtle.

2,056 posted on 06/26/2010 4:38:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr
Yes, and what so many Protestants forget is that, by necessity, his human nature remains hidden except in his passion. In order for Jesus (the man) never to sin, his human will had to be subordinated to his divine will at all times, and was therefore never expressed as something separate or discernible (except perhaps for a fleeting moment in the Garden of Gethsemane)

I'm really, really not trying to beat a dead horse here, but I find I can't let this comment go without saying something. Please indulge me for a moment. I do not accept at all the idea that in order for Jesus never to sin that he somehow had to "subordinate" his human will to his divine will. That would be a kind of "cheating". Why would scripture state he was tempted in all parts as we are yet he was without sin? He was/is fully human and fully divine and the fact that he lived a perfect sinless life was why his sacrifice on the cross was for our sins. He had no sin to make payment for of his own. He was the spotless lamb of God.

I also disagree that Jesus only gave us a peek at his human nature from time to time (like at the "passion"). He was hungry, he got tired and weary, he cried, he needed to eat, he got thirsty, he slept. He also performed miracles, he knew people's thoughts and schemes, he knew of future happenings. He was both human and divine.

And Markbsnr, I agree with you that I do not believe that we as humans on earth will ever truly understand. Presumably we will understand after our own resurrection, else it will not matter to us then. For now, we have God in incarnate form, called Jesus, reaching down to man on his own level. See I can be reasonable. :o)

2,065 posted on 06/26/2010 8:28:15 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: MarkBsnr; stfassisi
And that is a matter that I do not believe that we as humans on earth will ever truly understand

That is something that would be very near and dear to Orthodox Christians and many Catholic monastics I have read. It is the core of Mariology in both Churches.

What do you know of Mary's character? Did she ever draw attention to herself? Or is she "transparent?" What is her most redeeming characteristic that all mortals are called to strive for? Perfect obedience. The only thing we know about her will is her submission.

2,070 posted on 06/26/2010 11:04:38 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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