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To: RnMomof7
Each member of the Trinity is God.

Co eternal, co equal God. Yes. As agreed upon at Nicea.

God the Father is God; on that Paul and all Christians (except for some Pentecostals) agree.

Romans 9: 5 theirs the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, is the Messiah. God who is over all 3 be blessed forever. Amen.

Read the punctuation. This does not say that the Messiah is God. It says (from verse 4) that the Messiah is from the Jews. And it also says that God who is over all be blessed forever, presumably for sending the Messiah to to the Jews. Not proof.

Colossians 2: 9 Because of this, God greatly exalted him and bestowed on him the name 7 that is above every name,

This is a completely subordinationist verse and STILL does not say that Jesus is God. It only says that Jesus has a name exalted and above every name (presumably every human name).

Hebrews 1: 8 but of the Son: "Your throne, O God, 4 stands forever and ever; and a righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.

We don't even know that Paul wrote Hebrews, but still, looking at the verses, we can apply the notes in the NAB: 4 [8-12] O God: the application of the name "God" to the Son derives from the preexistence mentioned in Hebrews 1:2-3; the psalmist had already used it of the Hebrew king in the court style of the original. See the note on Psalm 45:6.

Are these the only proofs? Let us continue:

1 Corinthians 3: 16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

This does not address any Trinitarian formula.

Peter called Pauls writings scripture.. but it seems that catholics think the pope has inspired writings..but not the scriptures.. as I said before, those people that have a hard time with PAUL want to build their own god, cause they do not like the one that scripture reveals..

I will remind you that many people here regard Paul as a GOD and Jesus is merely a figurehead and a name to appeal to. We need to concentrate on Jesus' words first and foremost. Else, why would you wish to to be known as Christian?

1,562 posted on 06/23/2010 6:38:14 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; RnMomof7
This does not address any Trinitarian formula.

Mark, to a Protestant mind, just enumerating the Three is "Trinity." IOW, as long as all Three are mentioned one way or another it is "Trinitarian." The theology behind the Holy Trinity, however, varies from one Protestant to another individually. That much is obvious form the posts on the FR alone.

In the Church, however, the very nature of the Trinity, as understood by the Church, is a dogmatic issue and leaves no wiggle room for private interpretation. After all the biggest stumbling block that eventually divided the Church was one Trinitarian word — filioque.

Catholics are somewhat ambivalent to it; they can live with or without it in the Creed, because they hold that it is also true. The Orthodox reject it as the Credal statement, because "proceeds from the Father" to which the Creed alludes in the Greek original has to do with the eternal origin of the Holy Spirit, and not with the Pneumatic movement in the economy of our salvation.

So, while the Orthodox also believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds or "tranceeds" and from the Son in the economy of our salvation, that statement has no place in the Creed because it would suggest double origin of the Spirit (as formulated in the original Greek), and altering it is forbidden by the Council itself.

To the Protestants, the tug-o-war over filioque and the issue of the eternal origin of the Spirit is something they don't concern themselves with because "it's not in the Bible." All that matters to them is that the NT mentions "all Three." And each person can fill in the blanks form there on.

Thus, while nominally "Triniatrian," the mainline Protestants really do not have a dogmatic teaching on the Holy Trinity except that all three Hypostases are God (which is, of course, not what the NT authors ever mention).

The whole Protestant Trinitarian theology is exegetically derived from personal interpretations, the way Jewish Talmud developed an exegetical revelation that God gave the first six "Noahide" laws to Adam in the Garden (cf Gen 2:16)! Of course, the whole verse says that he can eat from any tree in the Garden.

How does one derive six Noahide laws form that is an enigma! But what do I know...I am being called a fool by people who believe in talking donkeys! :)

1,593 posted on 06/23/2010 11:22:47 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: MarkBsnr
If we can't find the Trinity in the scriptures, there is no Trinity...But since we can and do find the Trinity in the scriptures, we know the Trinity exists...

But since your religion can't find the Trinity in the scriptures, how did that information get to your religious council??? Who was it revealed to and when???

I will remind you that many people here regard Paul as a GOD and Jesus is merely a figurehead and a name to appeal to.

Well name names...I don't know anyone here who regards the Apostle Paul as a God...

We need to concentrate on Jesus' words first and foremost.

We did, and we do...Jesus was teaching His own...His chosen people, the Jews...He was teaching them about the Kingdom...

They didn't believe Him...He was murdered and Resurrected...

And then we concentrated on the message of the Risen Savior that was revealed to and then by the Apostle Paul...The Resurrected Jesus revealed Himself to Paul and told Paul that He would offer Salvation, thru Grace by Faith, without works lest any man should boast, to the Gentiles...

Else, why would you wish to to be known as Christian?

Jesus put it on the Apostle Paul to give the layout of the churches...You wouldn't know to call yourself a Christian were it not for the epistles of Paul...No one during the ministry of Jesus called himself or others a Christian...

1,604 posted on 06/24/2010 6:58:37 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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