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To: stfassisi
What a mess of a post that was,dear sister. On one hand you condemn the Catholic Church for building hospital and say it’s from the devil,than you glorify calvin as if he is a God for building a hospital.

Its is only consider it a mess, because the Romanists have tried to paint Calvin and Protestants as uncaring and Calvin as a devil ...When low and behold, while Rome collected indulgence money to build a grand place for the pope.. the Protestants under Calvin were taking care of the poor the sick and educating the children..

Not quite what the Catholics here thought.. so i am sure it was a mess to them

This type of garbage is why I spend less and less time here on FR.

What garbage? hearing that Rome was self indulgent and self interested, and provided no education for the peasants lest they learn to read and horrors of horrors read the word of God??That garbage??

I am convinced that calvin is a golden calf in the life of many calvinist from FR

I am convinced more and more that catholics can never admit an error and say something like ."Ok I was wrong about Calvin following the beatitudes.. not to be saved..but because he was saved

1,475 posted on 06/23/2010 1:19:55 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

“”When low and behold, while Rome collected indulgence money to build a grand place for the pope.. the Protestants under Calvin were taking care of the poor the sick and educating the children””

First of all ,dear sister, there were only a small amount of people who did not follow Church teaching regarding indulgences and many of them were excommunicated.

Secondly, calvin only cared about political gain in his hatred of the church ,thus building a hospital and things like this was only a means to gain power and wealth for him.

If you really want to look for acts of kindness built on humility with no expectations there are many saints throughout the ages.

Here is one of those saints during the reformation time period(there are many,many more) that was humble ,unlike calvin

St. John of God
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08472c.htm
Excerpt..

For some time he was alone in his charitable work soliciting by night the needful supplies, and by day attending scrupulously to the needs of his patients and the rare of the hospital; but he soon received the co-operation of charitable priests and physicians. Many beautiful stories are related of the heavenly guests who visited him during the early days of herculean tasks, which were lightened at times by St.Raphael in person. To put a stop to the saint’s habit of exchanging his cloak with any beggar he chanced to meet, Don Sebastian Ramirez, Bishop of Tuy, had made for him a habit, which was later adopted in all its essentials as the religious garb of his followers, and he imposed on him for all time the name given him by the Infant Jesus, John of God. The saint’s first two companions, Antonio Martin and Pedro Velasco, once bitter enemies who had scandalised all Granada with their quarrels and dissipations, were converted through his prayers and formed the nucleus of a flourishing congregation. The former advanced so far on the way of perfection that the saint on his death-bed commended him to his followers as his successor in the government of the order. The latter, Peter the Sinner, as he called himself, became a model of humility and charity.


1,695 posted on 06/24/2010 5:49:48 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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