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INDEED.

Maybe someone can get to it before I do.

The assertion that in Hebrews, Paul never mentioned faith alone but always and only with works. IIRC, THAT’S BRAZENLY FALSE. Can someone else do a check on that and post it, please?


1,459 posted on 06/23/2010 10:20:37 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
For the past few hundred posts I've stood back and let the blood fly but maybe this is a good point to comment on.

Both Paul and James discuss faith and works, James saying faith without works to demonstrate it is a dead faith. (James 2:17, 20, 26)
However works without faith was just as useless. (James 2:24)

Paul argues That faith is a necessity for who would approach God (Hebrews 11:6) and that those who did believed, had faith, that God would reward those earnestly seeking Him. That follows Paul description of what is vs. 1.

Each one of the examples Paul gives in Hebrews chapter 11 shows their faith by their actions or works but the faith comes first. Abraham already had faith God could and would resurrect Issac should Abraham sacrifice him. Rahab had heard of the Israelites and had faith that her actions would be rewarded and they were.

Paul had earlier shown that a lack of faith was demonstrated by the Israelites when they tried to put God to a test although as He said, they had seen His works for forty years. (Hebrews 3:7-11)

Their disobedience was evidence of their lack of faith so they perished. (Hebrews 3:17-19)

Did Paul mention faith always and only with works? What does he say at Hebrews 4:1-5? That those who exercise faith enter into God's sabbath, His resting by deceasing from their own works.(vs. 9, 10)

1,465 posted on 06/23/2010 11:31:06 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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