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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Do you find that comment by Paul out of line? Erroneous? Muddled? Do think Jesus was not a man?

I think that Jesus IS my Lord and Saviour. I cannot help whatever it is that the children of the Reformation believe. I do not think that Paul is out of line; I think that Paul, being only human and like every other human is . If you worship Paul, then have at it. We understand that Paul is one of the two greatest Apostles in the Church, yet we understand that he is also only a man.

Read the Bible, Mark. It is the power of God unto salvation. It will help you not to make further errors like that one and the following...

"Paul does not subscribe to the Nicene Trinitarian view of Christianity. Neither do the Synoptic Gospels, by the way. It is in John that we find some evidence of the Triune God, with the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit co equal, co existing, and co eternal members of One God. Paul definitely is not Trinitarian." -- Posted by MarkBsnr on April 24, 2010.

I stand and acknowledge this statement. I challenged you then and I challenge you now to prove this statement wrong. I have shown substantial Pauline verse that proves my point. You have not answered except in this churlish fashion. Do you wish to have a go at actually answering a post with Scripture instead of quotes from your addled and ridiculous men who were splitters and quitters from Christianity? Do you have any proof? Or do you wish to remove yourself from any future debate on the subject?

1,158 posted on 06/22/2010 5:18:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
You are a minority of one, Mark, in believing Paul was not Trinitarian.

You also imply Paul could err in the Scriptures which is a bizarre statement for a "Christian" to make. The Scriptures were written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and as such, they are infallible in matters of faith and practice.

Unlike priests, popes, churches, doctrines of men and religion forum posts.

Since the historic, orthodox Christian church considers Paul a Trinitarian, it is up to apostates like you to support your opinion that Paul is not Trinitarian.

You have not.

No surprise there.

1,165 posted on 06/22/2010 5:36:47 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr

2 Corinthians 5: 10 For we must all appear 7 before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.


1,174 posted on 06/22/2010 5:59:18 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Romans 2: 5 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God, 6 who will repay everyone according to his works: 3 7 eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works, 8 but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness. 9 Yes, affliction and distress will come upon every human being who does evil, Jew first and then Greek. 10 But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, Jew first and then Greek. 11 4 There is no partiality with God.

Paul wrote that, right? LOL!


1,177 posted on 06/22/2010 6:01:34 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr
Paul definitely is not Trinitarian

Dr. E, I wouldn't bother trying to prove to Mark that the Apostle Paul fully understood AND preached the deity of Christ and WAS a believer in the trinity. I have tried, with considerable Scriptural proof, oh, about four or five times now in the past year or so, and they are completely dismissed. What will it take to convince a person who's mind is set?

You would think these verses alone would do it:

Colossians 2:8-10 (New American Standard Bible)

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.

9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

But, astonishingly, it didn't. And we KNOW Paul wrote the letter to the Colossians (see chapter 1 verses 1 and 2). I also included many other verses from Paul's letters such as Rom. 8:9-11; Rom. 9:5; Rom. 14:8-9; Rom. 15:16, 19, 29; I Cor. 1:24;II Cor. 4:3,4,6; II Cor. 5:19; and II Cor. 13:14. To no avail. I really don't think it worth the extra effort, which is probably why you haven't replied to it already. Good thinking. :o)

1,205 posted on 06/22/2010 6:41:41 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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