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To: RnMomof7
You know I do

You’re a mind reader now? I know no such thing. You’ve been corrected many times through the years on the misrepresentations of Catholic teachings in your posts.

Any counselor knows the the word BUT nullifies everything said before it

What kind of counselor is that – the kind that hasn’t studied grammar? The word “but” is used as a grammatical conjunction. It nullifies nothing.

And this quote verifies what I said.. the church is the source of salvation to Catholics

It verifies no such thing. As a matter of fact, it contradicts what you claimed. It says “salvation comes from God alone”. Christ is the head of the Church and the Church is his Body. The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and helps bring life to our faith as teacher of those truths.

Could you show me the magistrums official commentary on those scriptures? I believe you are misreading them

I’ve never heard of a magistrum. In any case, I was just quoting Scripture, so it isn’t a misreading. Here again is the quote I posted: ”I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me." That’s a direct quote from Jesus. Disregard His words at your own peril.

Well at least I am not calling a child of satan my brother and helping him so I GET INTO HEAVEN.. that is just a bit of self serving works..

Maybe you need to address that to Jesus since it was his quote. I don’t think He automatically considers those in need, i.e. the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, the naked, the sick, and those in prison to be children of satan. Only a gross twisting on Scripture could arrive at that conclusion.

1,024 posted on 06/21/2010 10:43:38 PM PDT by Titanites (Not by Faith Alone)
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To: Titanites; Dr. Eckleburg; Quix; boatbums; Iscool
You’re a mind reader now? I know no such thing. You’ve been corrected many times through the years on the misrepresentations of Catholic teachings in your posts.

LOL LOL..like the attempted rebuttal on this thread that there is a new testament priesthood..verified how? Why from Roman sources , changing the CLEAR meaning of the greek words to suit their purposes..

What kind of counselor is that – the kind that hasn’t studied grammar?

One that paid attention in counseling classes :)

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"On the other hand, the one word that will impede your ability to persuade is "but." "But" negates everything you said before it. We all know the drill, "I love you, but…"or "I want to help, but…." The word "but" puts the brake on persuasion. Practice your vocabulary and use the word "and" in your persuasive communication instead of "but." Another simple change is to use the word "can" instead of "could." For example, say "Can you carry this for me?" instead of "Could you carry this for me?" Similarly, it is better to use "will" than "would" and better to use "try" than "do."" link

"By not using the specific word "but," we can prevent triggering instant negative responses in the other person. The solution is to replace the word "but" with the word "and" in such a way that you can respond truthfully without sounding like you're disagreeing or making them feel wrong." Link

"My English instructor once told me that the use of the word "but" completely negates every point or conviction that was written previously. Hence, I suppose we can only pay attention to anything that comes after the word "but" as being true and real and honest but perhaps a person who is trying to create a balance of many different interests would use it to show that they know another point of view exists and still maintain their own."link

It verifies no such thing. As a matter of fact, it contradicts what you claimed. It says “salvation comes from God alone”.

BUT.....

Christ is the head of the Church and the Church is his Body. The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and helps bring life to our faith as teacher of those truths.

Pillars are only good for one thing..to hold something up ...what is the pillars of the church to hold up ? The TRUTH... What is the Truth? Jesus said this " "My word is truth." "If you hold onto my words, you are my disciples, and you shall know the truth and the truth will make you free.""

So the job of the pillars is to uphold the truth,, The word of God..

This is not saying the church "is truth" as catholics like to propose...

Maybe you need to address that to Jesus since it was his quote. I don’t think He automatically considers those in need, i.e. the hungry, the thirsty, the homeless, the naked, the sick, and those in prison to be children of satan. Only a gross twisting on Scripture could arrive at that conclusion.

Only a tragic misreading of scripture thinks the tares are brothers

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: John 1:12...

Rom 8:14 — For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Gal 3:26 — For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

2Cr 6:18 — And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

1Jo 3:1 — Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Of the unsaved Christ says this

39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.(John 8)

1,057 posted on 06/22/2010 8:51:40 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Titanites
I’ve never heard of a magistrum. In any case, I was just quoting Scripture, so it isn’t a misreading. Here again is the quote I posted: ”I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me." That’s a direct quote from Jesus. Disregard His words at your own peril.

Ok now Fr seems to be running faster ..let me try again

Would you please provide me with the OFFICIAL magisterium's commentary of that scripture.. seeing the church is the only one that can correctly interpret scripture. asI believe catholics are not allowed any private interpretation, so I am sure you have the official reading at hand ...Does the OFFICIAL reading of the Catholic authorized commentaries say all men are the brethren of the saved?

1,095 posted on 06/22/2010 2:14:21 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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