Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
.- Thousands of pilgrims and faithful gathered at noon Sunday in St. Peter’s Square to pray the Angelus with the Holy Father. Before the prayer, he said that the fruits of the recently ended Year for Priests could never be measured, but are already visible and will continue to be ever more so.
“The priest is a gift from the heart of Christ, a gift for the Church and for the world. From the heart of the Son of God, overflowing with love, all the goods of the Church spring forth,” proclaimed Pope Benedict XVI. “One of those goods is the vocations of those men who, conquered by the Lord Jesus, leave everything behind to dedicate themselves completely to the Christian community, following the example of the Good Shepherd.”
The Holy Father described the priest as having been formed by “the same charity of Christ, that love which compelled him to give his life for his friends and to forgive his enemies.”
“Therefore,” he continued, “priests are the primary builders of the civilization of love.”
Benedict XVI exhorted priests to always seek the intercession of St. John Marie Vianney, whose prayer, the “Act of Love,” was prayed frequently during the Year for Priests, and “continues to fuel our dialogue with God.”
The pontiff also spoke about the close of the Year for Priests, which took place this past week and culminated with the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He emphasized “the unforgettable days in the presence of more than 15,000 priests from around the world.”
The feast of the Sacred Heart is traditionally a “day of priestly holiness,” but this time it was especially so, Benedict XVI remarked.
Pope Benedict concluded his comments by noting that, in contemplating history, “one observes so many pages of authentic social and spiritual renewal which have been written by the decisive contribution of Catholic priests.” These were inspired “only by their passion for the Gospel and for mankind, for his true civil and religious freedom.”
“So many initiatives that promote the entire human being have begun with the intuition of a priestly heart,” he exclaimed.
The Pope then prayed the Angelus, greeted those present in various languages, and imparted his apostolic blessing.
Your posts never address the issue being discussed; they just sling pejoratives at anyone who disagrees with Rome.
Are you making this post about an individual freeper in clear violation of the rules you harp on about so frequently?
What a surprise.
Surrealistic HOGWASH abounds yet again over various screen names.
AMEN.
Thx for your kind words.
The packs of Vatican straw dogs are loosed again.
THX THX. AMEN! AMEN!
INDEED.
You totally ignored my original question!
Which is, what Apostolic traditions (given by the Apostles) that are NOT recorded in Scripture.
Changing the subject, is NOT an answer.
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However, it tends to be SOP for many of the rabid clique Roman Catholic folks.
However, it tends to be SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] for many of the rabid clique Roman Catholic folks.
Maranatha!
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
AMEN!!!
THAT is the Gospel of our salvation. THAT is our redemption freely, mercifully won by Jesus Christ. THAT is the new covenant between God and His children, predicated on Christ's obedience and Christ's righteousness and Christ's obeying of the law.
As you say, it is ALL of grace because it is ALL of God for God through God.
When God chooses to raise some sinners from spiritual death, call them, create them, beget them, and atone for their sins, then he must be making choices according to some principle or some purpose. These choices are made without reference to us doing anything good or evil. It is not based on anything we will do or be; they are made to “show his wrath and make known his power..."
AMEN!
That is the faith Jesus taught and the faith Paul preached and the faith the Holy Spirit instills in us out of which good works flow. All by grace alone.
"And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work" -- 2 Corinthians 9:8
We did not merit the life-giving work of God. It was entirely grace – absolutely free and unconditional. It was not based on our prior choices. Grace created our choice. Paul says (in 2 Tim.1:9), that this calling “was not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity.” (Eph. 5:14; Rom. 8:30)
AMEN!
I didn't always understand this fact, but now the knowledge of it serves to deepen my gratitude for Christ's sacrifice on my behalf because it makes clear it is all the work of God, and not me. From start to finish; the end having been declared from the beginning.
"Blessed is the man whom thou choosest, and causest to approach unto thee" -- Psalm 65:4
This thread is not currently derailed by ad hominems.
Really? Speakers do not give lectures on successive days, or weeks, or months in the same lecture hall? But I thought that you guys were sola scriptura and if something was not expressly written, it was not to be conjectured. That is what many people claim that the Catholic Church does and criticizes it for that practice.
Matt. 8:5, “When Jesus went to Capernaum, a Roman army officer came to beg him for help.’
Luke 7:1, “When Jesus had finished everything he wanted to say to the people, he went to Capernaum.”
How far is Capernaum from this alleged same lecture point? Might it be the nearest large town where one might lodge and be provisioned? Maybe these two points were on opposite sides of Capernaum. I don't know. All I know is that the two Sermons bear a close resemblance, but that some of the description of it differs. Does it mean that they are the same event? It doesn't matter. The Scripture that says what Jesus said and the Scripture that says who was listening does.
I’m sure that both Dr. Eisegesis and I will try to comply.
"That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth:" (Ephesians 1:10). Why?
"That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. (Ephesians 1:12).
"That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus."(Ephesians 2:7).
It is by Him, about Him, for Him.
How could man be so deceived as to believe it is about himself,his works, his desires, his senses. To believe he can stand before God and justify himself with a library of dogma, books, charts, traditions, creeds, beads, or deeds at his side.
Actually at post 390: “All major heresies and most of the minor ones can be FOUND using snippets of Scripture” (emphasis mine)
I will claim them both, then.
How would one find or prove heresies from a work unless it were heretical? Snippets? Then the apostles quoted only snippets.....You comment is ludicrous at best.
You are not familiar with snippets and taking words and phrases and paragraphs out of context? You are not familiar with taking this and putting it with that and coming up with something new? You are not familiar with the Church's interpretation from 2000 years ago being swept aside by youthful follies? You side with folks that do it all the time. The Reformation was a grand study in creating new religions out of stable Scripture. You really don't know how it is does?
Let me demonstrate.
We believe in the Triune God - the Trinity of coequal, coeternal One God. Yet many believe in subordinationism. Does it exist in the Bible?
The Nicene Creed formulation of the Trinitarian God is never expressly written out anywhere in the Bible. The closest that we have in in selections from John, but even he wavers back and forth. The Synoptic Gospels and Paul do not express the Triune God. Examples?
John 14: 26 The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name--he will teach you everything and remind you of all that (I) told you. 27 Peace 12 I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give it to you. Do not let your hearts be troubled or afraid. 28 13 You heard me tell you, 'I am going away and I will come back to you.' If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father; for the Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you this before it happens, so that when it happens you may believe. 30 I will no longer speak much with you, for the ruler of the world 14 is coming. He has no power over me, 31 but the world must know that I love the Father and that I do just as the Father has commanded me. Get up, let us go.
Let's see. One could read this as: The Father is in charge of the Holy Spirit, not Jesus, but the Holy Spirit is the lowest on the totem pole; Jesus is going to the Father, because the Father is greater than Jesus; and Jesus does as the Father commands Him. Is this a great case for subordinationism? Not enough?
John 6: 37 Everything that the Father gives me will come to me, and I will not reject anyone who comes to me, 38 because I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me. 39 And this is the will of the one who sent me, that I should not lose anything of what he gave me, but that I should raise it (on) the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life, and I shall raise him (on) the last day."
The Father is in charge of the Son; and the Son does everything according to the Father's will. More?
Acts 2: 22 You who are Israelites, hear these words. Jesus the Nazorean was a man commended to you by God with mighty deeds, wonders, and signs, which God worked through him in your midst, as you yourselves know. 23 This man, delivered up by the set plan and foreknowledge of God, you killed, using lawless men to crucify him. 24 But God raised him up, releasing him from the throes of death, because it was impossible for him to be held by it.
32 God raised this Jesus; of this we are all witnesses. 33 Exalted at the right hand of God, 6 he received the promise of the holy Spirit from the Father and poured it forth, as you (both) see and hear. 34 For David did not go up into heaven, but he himself said: 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand 35 until I make your enemies your footstool."' 36 Therefore let the whole house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Messiah, this Jesus whom you crucified."
Wow. Not only is the Holy Spirit a messenger boy from God, but Jesus isn't even God, but a man exalted by God.
This is how anti Trinitarians and subordinationists read these verses. This is a heretical interpretation, but still they are there and proven with arguably better and more complete verse than anything that Calvin and the rest of the Reformers came up with. Questions?
Did Jesus write that in the sand???
No. The creation and teaching of His Church is painstakingly outlined in the Gospels. We don't know what He wrote in the sand. Obviously it is not important to us, since we are not informed of it.
You guys sure come up with some goofy arguments...
The best argument that we have is that Jesus commanded it; and from the Apostles to the current Pope and Patriarchs, we have attempted to carry out those commands. We did not walk away from the Church of Jesus Christ. Quitters and splitters do so of their own accord and will reap the rewards.
Your doubt has no effect on whether or not something is true. St. Thomas doubted, for instance.
1Corth 2;14 For the natural man is not able to take in the things of the Spirit of God: for they seem foolish to him, and he is not able to have knowledge of them, because such knowledge comes only through the Spirit.
And if you spurn the Church that Jesus Christ created and the Holy Spirit commissioned at Pentecost, do you also not spurn the Holy Spirit and the gifts that He gives to mankind?
Mark, it DOES make a difference.. the time, the location and the audience is part of the hermeneutics .
If you read on in Matthew you see Jesus giving instructions that would have nothing to do with salvation and only of benefit to those that already believe.
Part of that discourse is the "Our Father" (Matt 6) We know from other scripture the apostles asked Jesus how they should pray... God is not the Father of the unsaved.. so Jesus would not instruct men to pray like that
It is not enough to read the scripture, one must study it seeking what God intends us to know about Him
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