Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
errrrr sarcasm.
Nonsense, yet again.
That I understand. Still, it is a legitimate question that I pose: if the demand to explain the priesthood from scripture is made, then surely the similar demand to explain the two erroneous Solas can be made.
If, on the other hand, the two distinctly Protestant Solas (we are fine with Sola Gratia"), Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura are shorthand for "Faith is really important" and "Scripture is really important", then of course these are nice sentiments, but then your objections to priesthood and the veneration of saints and Mary cannot stand either.
That is an improper use of the majestic plural or authors plural unless you are referring to the presumedvoices in your head or some other unstated condition that I will not attempt to mind read to discern.
As for your assumptions you haven't hesitated to make them about Catholicism, Scripture, the Popes and a whole host of things you apparently know nothing about and nothing I reply with would apparently influence your apparently irrational behavior anyway.
(Note: emphasis added to assist the Religion Moderators prompt response to your predictable abuse report.)
(Note: emphasis added to assist the Religion Moderators prompt response to your predictable abuse report.)
We're going to need a judge's ruling on what appears to be a weak attempt at skirting the rules.
And since you brought up the RM, you should have pinged the RM.
Following the rules is not as difficult as some would make it out to be.
Thanks, you just made me $30. I bet some people you would make an abuse within 30 minutes.
I have documented
The supreme priority, pre-emenence
that CHRIST HIMSELF
GAVE TO SCRIPTURE AS A POINT AND FOCUS OF AUTHORITY.
DENIAL OF THAT IS A DENIAL OF CHRIST’S OWN WORDS AND CHRIST’S OWN ATTITUDE ABOUT SCRIPTURE.
Denial of Christ, Denial of Christ’s words; Denial of Christ’s priorities
are all incredibly UNBIBLICAL . . . and insanely foolish, imho.
(Note: emphasis added to assist the Religion Moderators prompt response to your predictable abuse report.)
I should have added that your nasty personal remark above does not use the word "apparently" as the earlier example did which you apparently are referring to.
There is no way a comment like "apparently you are an ax murderer" is within the rules.
I asked to show me the scripture where it says: “Everything you need for salvation is written in the Bible alone”; or “You are saved by Faith alone”, or something reasonably similar. I did not ask to tell me how these erroneous beliefs came about by way of some (faulty) scriptural analogy.
The two solas are counterscriptural error, no matter how long you take to explain them. That is not “obsession” to point out gross error, especially on the thread where demands to point out the priesthood in the scripture were made and answered.'
Had to reprint this just so the audience can enjoy the number of errors that can be crammed in so little space.
Paul, the writer of Eph. 2:8ff, does not include any works as a part of salvation, but it is astonishing that someone with a straight face can claim to rewrite his theology. You do have a straight face don't you? Paul specifically excludes any works so that no one from the Catholic Church cas boast, as they are doing. Okay, I added that simply because it was true, not because Paul said it. He did specifically exclude works of any sort. The good works he refers to FOLLOWING salvation is those that Father has prepared us to walk in. Notice...after.
The Catholic doctrine is incorrect. But, here again it would require reading the Scriptura and recognizing that the reason it needs to be Sola is because this kind of screwed up addition/mutilation/mangilation (is that a word?) of the perfectly understandable text. Understandable by anyone who has had the scales removed and that likely explains a lot.
The two solas are not counterscriptural (I KNOW you made that word up). And we don't need to take long to explain them because those who are being rescued understand them perfectly.
BTW - I am still waiting for the "dozens", or was it "countless" sources to support your "shrinking Church" horse hockey from last week.
Congrats. But pinging a mod for a judgment call is not hitting the abuse button.
I used the word "predictable" which your actions have shown to be accurate. If you find it "nasty" simply don't do it and I won't have to point it out.
Now stop flopping around like a soccer player in the penalty box trying to draw a foul and stop wasting the RMs time. You can get red carded for that too.
The thin skinned usually have to grope about for things to hit with their rocks.
po-tay-toe; po-tah-toe.
Again, I an not interested in how best to translate “presbyteros”. “Priest” is a historically adopted translation, and indeed it suffers from the ambiguity with pagan and Hebrew “hiereus” which also is translated “priest” in the English language (but not in some other modern languages I know).
I showed you, from scripture, that “presbutery” is something transmittred with great care through the imposition of hands, that is, sacramentally. That matches Catholic and Orthodox priesthood. It does no match levitical priesthood or Protestant ministry.
I also showed you, from scripture, that the Apostles were instructed to do what Jesus did at the Last Supper. Since what He did was show them His sacrifice, they now show His sacrifice as well. That, again, matches Catholic and Orthodox priesthood. Of course, there are other delegations that Christ ordained, to teach, baptize, and forgive sins, “as Himself”, with immediate effect in heaven (do a search for things like “as my Father sent me so I send you”, or “who receiveth you receiveth me” or “bind on earth - bound in heaven”). That, too, matches the authentic priesthood and no one else.
The reason “bishop” is used alongside “presbyteros” is that in the Primitive Church, the priests were also all bishops. Not so today, because a bishop may delegate priestly faculties to priests who are not bishops, and given the growth of the Church, thanks be to God, he has to. Hence today we have the distinction between bishops and priests. But of course, all bishops are also priests. The priest offers sacrifice; the bishop oversees and teaches the local Church.
8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; 9 Not of works, that no man may glory [or boast]. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them. (Eph. 2)
There you go. Salvation comes solely from grace. Faith and good works deliver the salvation, but not faith alone. Yes, works done under an obligation of the law, like the works of circumcision and the like, or for a reward (monetary or social like in boasting) have nothing to do with salvation.
Read the scripture closely and you will become Catholic or Orthodox, and leave the Protestant deception behind.
"...Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures." (1Corinthians 15:3,4).
or “You are saved by Faith alone
"For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works,lest any man should boast". (Ephesians 2:8,9).
Please do.
"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them." -- Eph. 2:10
"His workmanship." God made us the way we are and what we do, including any good works we might accomplish. Paul tells us that explicitly.
Paul tells us we were "created in Christ" and that God "prepared" the good works we accomplish through Christ because the good works are those of Christ within us.
"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost"-- Titus 3:5
Can it get more clear than that? Good works are the RESULT of God's merciful gift of salvation through regeneration by the Holy Spirit, not a REQUIREMENT for that salvation.
Christians either believe Paul or they don't.
Salvation comes solely from grace.
lol. You say the right words, and then you deny them. "Good works" don't "deliver salvation." Good works are the aftermath of God's free gift of grace through faith in Christ, given to those He first has regenerated by the Holy Spirit so that they can then and only then accomplish anything God-pleasing.
Stop calling individual FReepers names. Period. How old are you? Are you capable of abiding by simple rules set down for all of us to circumvent just this kind of idiotic exchanges?
Your posts generally do not discuss the topic; they discuss the poster. And that's against the rules.
It's not up to you to tell me or anyone how to post to suit your temperament or else you'll fling pejoratives at us.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.