Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
And the US is going down the toilet as well, not because it has an allegedly Protestant president (an intellectually dishonest position to take if I ever saw one) but because in a large part, the Catholic vote is primarily Democratic and they played a huge role in putting the imposture in the White House.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/07/catholic-voters-heavily-favored-obama-analysis-sho/
Large numbers of Catholics and religiously unaffiliated voters heavily contributed to President-elect Barack Obama’s huge margin of victory over Republican Sen. John McCain, according to an analysis of exit poll surveys by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life.
Mr. Obama did especially well among Hispanics, who are overwhelmingly Catholic. Two-thirds of them voted for him compared with white Catholics, who voted for Mr. McCain 52 to 47 percent over Mr. Obama.
“Latino Catholics appear to have been decisive in flipping three states from red to blue: New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada,” wrote Michael Sean Winters, an author on Catholic issues and a regular contributor to a blog sponsored by the Jesuit-run America magazine.
Plus, “The states that are most Catholic - Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania - are also the states that are the bluest of the blue,” he added.
None of that passes the so what test since there are zero versus of Scripture that say there needs to be. There is only a self-contradictory edict from a bunch of looney 15th century outcasts and their latter day zealots.
If you had read the link you'd see Ireland's GDP fell last year by 7.5%.
I guess that means I know more Scripture and economics than you.
This from the same whining hypocrite that complained that unnamed Catholics referred to Calvin as a devil? It just shows how Protestants are willing to compromise any Christian standard and strike any satanic deal to try to land a blow on the Church that Christ Himself started. You all better hope that that whole "elect", "it doesn't matter what I do" approach to Salvation pans out otherwise you are going to need some SPF 10,000.
Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
The “I guess that means I” preceding the “know more” makes it an expression of her own mind, not a reading of yours.
Re: Luther and his wife “violating their oaths before God”
I seem to recall that Luthur and the nun who would become his wife were both kicked out of the Roman Catholic Church after their “shenanigans” with trying to help reform - from within - their own church. I would guess if the Catholic Church had repented of their wrongdoings and returned to the true faith, Luther would have stayed and would not have left the priesthood. We’ll never know, will we?
I don’t believe the “oaths” were still in effect seeing as they were not under “holy orders” anymore. Am I correct?
I guess some are just apparently better at skirting the rules.
Did you just lecture the mod about Religion Forum rules, lol? Looks like you did.
For someone with a screen name such as yours and one who participates so frequently, you come across as oddly incapable of reasoning your way through what is really just practical, straightforward and common sense.
I am not sure what your point is. The context was about the Beatitudes.
As far as your comment goes, however, was there ever any doubt as to the outcome? So why bring it up? If Christians believe that Christ in his humanity never did anything against his divine will, pray tell what "upbringing" did Christ-child really need from a mother who, no matter how pure, was lesser than the Child? Some privilege.
Hypocrisy is never pretty.
Mark, to a Protestant mind, just enumerating the Three is "Trinity." IOW, as long as all Three are mentioned one way or another it is "Trinitarian." The theology behind the Holy Trinity, however, varies from one Protestant to another individually. That much is obvious form the posts on the FR alone.
In the Church, however, the very nature of the Trinity, as understood by the Church, is a dogmatic issue and leaves no wiggle room for private interpretation. After all the biggest stumbling block that eventually divided the Church was one Trinitarian word — filioque.
Catholics are somewhat ambivalent to it; they can live with or without it in the Creed, because they hold that it is also true. The Orthodox reject it as the Credal statement, because "proceeds from the Father" to which the Creed alludes in the Greek original has to do with the eternal origin of the Holy Spirit, and not with the Pneumatic movement in the economy of our salvation.
So, while the Orthodox also believe that the Holy Spirit proceeds or "tranceeds" and from the Son in the economy of our salvation, that statement has no place in the Creed because it would suggest double origin of the Spirit (as formulated in the original Greek), and altering it is forbidden by the Council itself.
To the Protestants, the tug-o-war over filioque and the issue of the eternal origin of the Spirit is something they don't concern themselves with because "it's not in the Bible." All that matters to them is that the NT mentions "all Three." And each person can fill in the blanks form there on.
Thus, while nominally "Triniatrian," the mainline Protestants really do not have a dogmatic teaching on the Holy Trinity except that all three Hypostases are God (which is, of course, not what the NT authors ever mention).
The whole Protestant Trinitarian theology is exegetically derived from personal interpretations, the way Jewish Talmud developed an exegetical revelation that God gave the first six "Noahide" laws to Adam in the Garden (cf Gen 2:16)! Of course, the whole verse says that he can eat from any tree in the Garden.
How does one derive six Noahide laws form that is an enigma! But what do I know...I am being called a fool by people who believe in talking donkeys! :)
No one walks away without the abortion certificate.
Guess who runs over 200 of these counseling centers?
That's right boys and girls,
Or the more likely answer,
Rome raped many of the poor countries and their riches are now squirreled away in the Vatican while the Protestant work ethic built countries like America.
It seems that nobody can hit the abuse button faster than an aggrieved Catholic.
And taking the comment out of context in SOP no less.
It seems that nobody can hit the abuse button faster than an aggrieved Catholic.
And taking the comment out of context, no less.
Just all in a days work for them.
Oh, wait, no one knows where his grave is located in Geneva, per his instructions, because he didn't want any part of Rome's rituals of death."
We dont know where he is buried because like Mary, he was assumed into heaven. ;)
So far, yours is the only reply to my post, as predicted....
So, I’ll put it up here again so’s nobody can miss it and HOPE for an answer....
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Neither of which quote says that Mary was always a virgin.
Scripture is quite clear that she had sexual relations with her husband Joseph, and had children by him.
Matthew 1:19 Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately. 20 But while he thought on these things, behold the angel of the Lord appeared to him in his sleep, saying: Joseph, son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife, for that which is conceived in her, is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name JESUS. For he shall save his people from their sins. 22 Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which the Lord spoke by the prophet, saying: 23 Behold a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24 And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife. 25 And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Other Scripture lists Jesus’ brothers by name.
Why is it so important to Catholics to think that Mary was always a virgin?
What’s the problem they have with the thought that she was a wife to her husband and had other children?
How does that affect Catholic doctrine?
Does it affect a person’s salvation if she wasn’t perpetually a virgin?
How would the Catholic church change if she wasn’t?
WOULD it change?
Hold that thought...
After all, enough time has passed that the claim can be made now, hasn't it?
I mean, it was a few hundred years after her death that the doctrine took hold.
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