Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
Amen!
I don't get the comment about Born Again Christians can you elaborate how they are Judaizers. I don't see them following a pattern of never ending sacrifice for sins to make up for the insufficiency of the previous sacrament.
He's looking in a mirror. Rome re-sacrifices Christ for new sins every day of the week in a perpetual whirl of saved/condemned/saved/condemned...
For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. – I Timothy 4:1-5
Veganism and anti-marriage political activism are clearly endtime ‘signs of the times’ promoted by secular liberals with false authentication for anti-marriage ideology by liberal churches of all labels:
Court Rules Defense of Marriage Act Unconstitutional, Irrational
For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.
But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. – Matthew 23:1-12
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
[Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. – Matthew 23:13-36
I suppose your comment ties in well with the "needy are not our brethren" theme.
The evidence shows that the Church evangelized the "least of these". That's the reason for disparity in wealth.
The Roman Catholic church hold that the efficacy of the sacrament depends on the "secret inteThe priest must, at the moment of performing his actions and pronouncing the words,have in his mind the intention of doing what the church intends to do in that sacrament.
In other words. the priest might say all the prescribed words, and preform all the required actions, yet if he does not have in his heart and mind the secret intention of conveying grace through the sacrament, the recipient does not receive any grace at all. The sacrament is null and void.
Council of trent Session 7
Canon 11. If anyone says that in ministers, when they effect and confer the sacraments, there is not required at least the intention of doing what the Church does,[6] let him be anathema.
GIVEN ALL THE MANIACALLY MANGLED REFERENCE BOOKS
A MANIACALLY MANGLED DUPLICITOUS THEOLOGY IS ALL THAT CAN RESULT.
Conceivably.
IIRC, however, it was how our typing teacher wanted us to type it . . . perhaps because of the ‘ in it.
If someone on FR had posted comments like the ones Jesus made to the Pharisees and other religious rulers of His day, they would have been accused of being *unChristlike*.
Except for the code word "brethren" he slipped in there. We've been taught by Calvinists on this thread about their meaning of that word and its exclusion of the needy. Before learning about that, I probably wouldn't have noticed what Calvin was really saying.
LOVE IT. THX.
Saving it to my FR scratch Word file.
Right below Mutley.
Catholicism like judaism is a religion of law.. No circumcision.. but baptism , no animal sacrifice but a daily re-sacrifice of Christ..
Once again there is no NT priesthood, because Jesus fulfilled the type of the priest and the lamb..no further sacrifices for sin (no penance either, or purgatory..no sacrifice for sin anymore )
You can not PROVE the way you read scripture because it is not from your OFFICIAL source the church ..it is just YOPIS
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. – I Timothy 4:1-5
The “doctrine of demons” would therefore be veganism, anti-traditional marriage activism - and religious authorities saying one thing while doing another.
I learn something from every one of your posts, AG. Thank you. Those insights are fascinating.
I wonder if those verses are what prompted Rome to end its admonition against eating meat on Fridays, although it hasn't ended the celibacy requirement for its priests.
And as you say, we're all guilty of saying one thing and doing another.
NOPE.
That assertion is another exclusivist vain-glorious arrogant brazen falsehood from hell.
The most highly Catholic countries are among the most impoverished.
It depends how you determine prosperity.
Luxembourg is almost 90% Catholic and has the highest per capita GDP in the world (granted it has a very small population).
Ireland is also very prosperous (though they are having recent problems) and they are majority Catholic.
The largest groups in the Netherlands and Austria are Catholic.
In terms of prosperity, the most prosperous countries in the world are the US, Canada, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Singapore and the western European countries. Some of them have majority Protestant populations, some Catholic and some neither.
Certainly, there are some very poor nations that were colonized by the Spanish and Portuguese (we'll leave France out of it because the French government went secular centuries before the rest of the world), but there are also very poor nations colonized by the British and Dutch.
If you would read the link, even just the paragraphs I posted, you would see Calvin is referencing "all men everywhere."
The cabal is all yours.
You really should just say Christians instead of Protestants.
But we also know they embrace their own traditions of men e.g. sola scriptura, sola fide, predestination to hell, etc.
These beliefs may be controversial to some, but they do have support in Scripture. It's the making things up out of thin air that Christians despise.
The result is all the division within Protestantism.
What those that place their faith in a church fail to see is how little division there is among Christian churches.
Among the beliefs you will find unity on are salvation is by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone, in Christ Alone, for the Glory of God Alone. We may argue at length over eschatology, predestination, whether church govt should be presbyterian or congregational, but on the big issues of salvation we have very little disagreement.
A theme of Rome's devising, contradicted by the evidence that Protestant missionaries evangelized the world.
And where the seed of God's word grew and flourished, so too did those countries. No coincidence.
Amen
In your dreams, because it had nothing to do with that comment but rather with the comment about Protestant work ethic. It's a real shame that Catholics simply cannot address the actual substance of a post but must rather create some fantasy to attack.
The evidence shows that the Church evangelized the "least of these". That's the reason for disparity in wealth.
Hardly, considering the extravagance and opulence with which the RCC decorates its buildings and the luxury with which the pope and his subordinates live and the abject poverty the people in the most heavily Catholic countries live in.
The Catholic Church did not *evangelized* impoverished countries. Look at the Spanish Conquistadors. They conquered countries in South America that have vast wealth in gold and emeralds, and other natural resources. How can you say that they chose the poorest to *evangelize* (read:conquer)
You can excuse and rationalize all you want, but your argument has no merit because all the countries started on pretty much the same level and where they ended up is directly tied to which branch of Christianity was dominant. In Northern Europe, where Protestant Christianity flourished, prosperity was evident.
In southern Europe, Central and South America, and the Philippines, where the RCC dominates, although those areas have geography and climate that favor prosperity, they are poor as all get out.
Why doesn't the Catholic Church do something about teaching them to help themselves? They've had hundreds of years in many of those countries to accomplish it, and they're still not in much better condition than they were when Catholicism was first introduced.
I read the paragraph you posted. Calvin referenced brethren. Your brethren have already told us that word excludes the needy.
Calvinism stresses self-denial, sobriety, thriftiness, efficiency and morality, which can result in high production and low consumption, creating a surplus that cannot be consumed, which is instead invested for the greater glory of God. Previously, many Christians had regarded excess wealth as immoral. Calvin also advocated that all believers have a calling, not just the clergy, which opened up the possibility of service inside and outside the church and also made faith more relevant to secular life, sanctifying work as a holy activity. .....On the one hand, Calvin recognized social responsibility; on the other he stressed individual responsibility to live a good, productive and moral life before God. Stressing the dignity of man, Calvin's social reforms included relief for the poor, construction of hospitals, schools (which were free), new prisons, consumer protection laws, provisions for refugees, and a sanitation system that made Geneva one of the cleanest and healthiest cities in Europe. Calvin was morally strict but humane, almost a humanist in his concern to reach the heart not only the mind of men and women. "Calvin’s emphasis on work (which became known as the “Protestant work ethic”) had a direct impact on the Industrial Revolution. His influence is felt on the development of several European nations as commercial and colonial powers as well. Calvin is widely known for his “doctrine of election,” which lay behind his work ethic—a sign of being numbered among those whom God has predestined for salvation is an industrious, pious and successful life lived according to the commandments of God. This also contributed to the rise of capitalism.
This isn't just theology. This is basic history. And still Rome has trouble with it.
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