By being a charitable and caring Christian man with a sense of humor. By the way, I didn't realize that you had long red hair.
Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
Was all His word written down at the time?
As if that had any bearing on the discussion..you want to imply a continuing revelation through the pope.. that is no where found .. But what we do know is when the Holy Spirit SPOKE He knew what the NT canon would be because He was its author and so it could be said that the work of the church is to be the pillar that upholds the truth.. and scripture tells us that Christ's word is truth
" the pillar and ground of the truth--evidently predicated of the Church, not of "the mystery of godliness" (an interpretation not started till the sixteenth century; so BENGEL); for after two weighty predicates, "pillar and ground," and these substantives, the third, a much weaker one, and that an adjective, "confessedly," or "without controversy great," would not come. "Pillar" is so used metaphorically of the three apostles on whom principally the Jewish Christian Church depended ( Gal 2:9 ; compare Rev 3:12 ). The Church is "the pillar of the truth," as the continued existence (historically) of the truth rests on it; for it supports and preserves the word of truth. He who is of the truth belongs by the very fact to the Church. Christ is the alone ground of the truth in the highest sense ( 1Cr 3:11 ). The apostles are foundations in a secondary sense ( Eph 2:20 Rev 21:14 ). The Church rests on the truth as it is in Christ; not the truth on the Church. But the truth as it is in itself is to be distinguished from the truth as it is acknowledged in the world. In the former sense it needs no pillar, but supports itself; in the latter sense, it needs the Church as its pillar, that is, its supporter and preserver [BAUMGARTEN].
Commentary by A. R. FAUSSET
Could you show us the official vatican commentary on this scripture? (for comparison purposes??)
Aaahhhhh
SOUNDS good . . .
sad the doctrines related to Salvation seem so divorced from such defs
Which is exactly why Catholics have no idea how to read the scriptures...
Negative. The god of this age is the god of the Reformation. We believe in Christ, not just the image of God, but God. I must admit that I put that verse there to see which one that you would quote: Paul or Jesus. I am saddened to have my fears realized. We Catholics wrote the NT Scripture, interpreted it, selected it, and bound it into what is the NT.
Think about that scripture (Matthew 4) Mark, seeing you chose that scripture.. do you know WHY the Holy Spirt led Christ up to be tempted? Do you understand the significance of it? (hoping that readers will have to consider what the word of God says... )
Certainly. I will let the words of Jeff Cavins speak for me, since his testimony is more eloquent than mine:
Some people give in when confronted with temptation in their lives. Some just do the best they can. In this week’s Gospel reading [the first Sunday in Lent] we have an inside look at how Jesus overcame temptation with God’s word.
When Jesus came on the scene in Israel 2,000 years ago, the Romans were occupying the land and Israel was feeling the weight of that oppressive government. The Jews were expecting the Messiah to come at anytime to liberate them. After all, great kings of Israel’s past had all demonstrated their leadership by confronting the enemy and bringing about a great victory. David defeated Goliath, Hezekiah kept the Assyrian army at bay, and Judas Maccabees led a revolt against the evil Seleucid dynasty. There was speculation that Jesus would lead a revolt against Rome and return Israel to her glory days.
But was Rome the root cause of Israel’s situation? How many times do we find ourselves in trouble, only to blame our situation on the wrong root cause? The root cause of Israel’s dilemma was that she was still in spiritual exile as a result of years of sin and refusing to serve the one true God. Yes, sin is our problem.
The first thing Jesus did in his public ministry was to confront the real enemy of Israel, the devil. In this week’s Gospel reading Jesus was led out into the wilderness where after 40 days he would withstand three temptations. In order to understand why Jesus faced these three particular temptations we need to understand that Jesus’ entire life was in essence a reliving of the history of Israel in the Old Testament.
After escaping the bondage of Egypt, the children of Israel, during their 40 years in the wilderness, failed at three major temptations. Their first failure was refusing to trust God for their daily bread. They grumbled and blamed Moses for bringing them out from the “comfort” of their bondage in Egypt (Exodus 16). Their second failing involved their lack of trust to provide water for them (Exodus 17), and lastly the children of Israel broke their faith in God with the worship of the golden calf (Exodus 32). The story of these events are recapped in the book of Deuteronomy, the very book that Jesus quotes to the devil during his temptation in the wilderness.
Jesus, after 40 days and nights of fasting, was tempted by the devil to trust in himself rather than in his father in heaven. Instead of falling, like the children of Israel had, Jesus would be triumphant, pre-enacting what he would do for the world on the cross: conquer sin and defeat the enemy.
Jesus’ first temptation was in the area of life’s necessities — food — the same area in which the children of Israel showed their lack of trust. The enemy tests Jesus’ identity by saying, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” Jesus responded, “It is written, ‘Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’” Notice that the enemy focuses on Jesus’ identity and relationship with God the Father by saying, “If you are the Son of God.” Often our temptations will test our identity as sons and daughters of God. How often we think to ourselves, “If God really loved me, then I wouldn’t be in this situation.”
In the second temptation, the devil tries to trip up Jesus by getting him to tempt God by throwing himself off the pinnacle of the temple. Psalm 91 says, “He will give his angels charge of you, and on their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone.” If Jesus would have jumped off of the temple, it would have been for the purpose of seeing if Psalm 91 were true. Jesus didn’t have to jump to prove his trust in the Father; he demonstrated it by trusting in God’s word. Jesus quotes Deuteronomy 6:16, “You shall not tempt the Lord your God.”
How many times do we test the Lord by saying, “Lord if you do so and so for me then I’ll know that you love me.”
In the third temptation the devil pulls out all stops to get Jesus to worship him. This corresponds to when Israel worshipped the golden calf in Exodus 32. Once again Jesus answers from Deuteronomy 6:13-14: “It is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.”
In the end, Jesus is triumphant over these three temptations and the devil flees. Contained in this week’s Gospel reading is the secret to overcoming the various temptations we face. Knowing our identity as sons and daughters of God, we trust in him for all we need and rely on his word as assurance.
from http://www.crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/460/Temptations_of_Jesus_Christ_Jeff_Cavins.html
Why is it the people that say they are the ONE true church can not rightly divide scripture ?:)
Who says that we Catholics cannot? We just cannot do it on a whim; Scripture itself proscribes private interpretation.
THX THX.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
I knew I could rely on you to filter the Word of God to fit your argument again. Paul also used the phrase as follows:
1 CORINTHIANS 10:16 And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?
Wouldn't it have been more honest and Christian to tell the whole truth and disagree over the meaning than to deceptive?
INDEED.
THX.
By being a charitable and caring Christian man with a sense of humor. By the way, I didn't realize that you had long red hair.
Mark, the sons of the reformation do not live in marble palaces, wear silk vestments, have golden crowns or staffs or rings worthy to be kissed , they do not have fine art work, antiques or an army to defend them ...That is what Satan offered to Jesus...the world.. and its comforts and riches.. position and power..all the reformers had was the army of satan chasing them to cut off their heads or burn them at the stake for proclaiming the truth of God..
How does one earn grace if it is unmerited (unearned, undeserved ) favor?
They are taught that the needy among us are “children of satan”, “goats, or “tares”. Love your neighbor does not apply.
Maybe you realized all this previously, but I did not, and I admit that I am stunned to find this out. Thank God I have not been sucked down the drainhole of Calvinism.
But you can speak for catholics that pull doctrine out of a hat like a magician and his rabbit
Thank God protestants have the sure revelation of the scriptures as their authority..not old men with "visions " of sugar plumbs dancing in their head with the queen of heaven flying with them
I can't speak on behalf of Calvinists or the OPC.
Given the quality of their posts, neither can they.
Yes it did. I said the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth, whether it is written or not. Then you flail around about God being omniscient.
you want to imply a continuing revelation through the pope
You have no idea what I want. A comment like that is making it personal.
Could you show us the official vatican commentary on this scripture? (for comparison purposes??)
Calvinists may consider a commentary by A. R. FAUSSET to be Scripture but I'm sure the "Vatican" does not.
One doesn't.
Yes to the first part, and no to the actions taken for 'reform'. The results of the Reformation were the wreaking of Christendom from its Christian roots and splintering it into the myriad splinters of approximations of Christianity that it is today.
It didn't start with Martin Luther but he, as a Catholic priest himself, recognized the depravity and wantonness of the hierarchy.
Martin Luther reneged on his vows taken before God. The depravity is not contested. Luther's actions are.
Until we recognize that we are redeemed through Christ and not some religion or organization, we will never let go of hostility, suspicion and negativity and we will never be able to let the light of the glorious gospel shine through us.
There was a good excerpt from the Catechism some posts ago which emphasize that Grace comes from God alone; it is the Church that is commanded to spread the Good News to the World and act as a conduit or mechanism for God's Grace.
I notice you had to go on line to past and copy someone else's work..that says alot..
Your commentator says lots of simplistic words but never gets to the heart of the scripture. This sounds like a seeker friendly topical sermon ..not a an answer to my question
Why did the spirit of God lead Christ into temptation?
How did Christ overcome the temptation? Those are the questions on this text..
Think about it mark... why does the bible call Jesus the 2nd Adam? What did jesus do to silence Satan?..go read the text for your self and consider it
I think that Jesus IS my Lord and Saviour. I cannot help whatever it is that the children of the Reformation believe. I do not think that Paul is out of line; I think that Paul, being only human and like every other human is . If you worship Paul, then have at it. We understand that Paul is one of the two greatest Apostles in the Church, yet we understand that he is also only a man.
Read the Bible, Mark. It is the power of God unto salvation. It will help you not to make further errors like that one and the following...
"Paul does not subscribe to the Nicene Trinitarian view of Christianity. Neither do the Synoptic Gospels, by the way. It is in John that we find some evidence of the Triune God, with the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit co equal, co existing, and co eternal members of One God. Paul definitely is not Trinitarian." -- Posted by MarkBsnr on April 24, 2010.
I stand and acknowledge this statement. I challenged you then and I challenge you now to prove this statement wrong. I have shown substantial Pauline verse that proves my point. You have not answered except in this churlish fashion. Do you wish to have a go at actually answering a post with Scripture instead of quotes from your addled and ridiculous men who were splitters and quitters from Christianity? Do you have any proof? Or do you wish to remove yourself from any future debate on the subject?
So where is the official Vatican /magisterium systematic commentary on the entire bible , that we can learn the CORRECT interpretation of scripture..so that like the catholics here..that NEVER give their own personal interpretation of scripture or one from some unofficial source,
It is customary, Dr. E., that when one posts another's words, that one acknowledges or pings that individual. Such rudeness is inexcusable, and abrogates all posting etiquette. It is sad for one who routinely berates others for such departure from the rules to depart from them in such a blatant manner.
Not only that, you are reading my mind, and reading it incorrectly. You are a marvel, Dr. E. Not only are you incorrect, I stand in wonderment at the vast number of things that you are incorrect about, and the vast number of ways that you are incorrect.
Luke 18: 9 He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else. 10 "Two people went up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, 'O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity--greedy, dishonest, adulterous--or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.' 13 But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, 'O God, be merciful to me a sinner.' 14 I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted."
How's the view from the front row?
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