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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wagglebee
You can spin apostasy any way you like, but its still apostasy.

John Calvin (1509 to 1564) - Deliberately avoiding the intercourse, so that the seed drops on the ground, is double horrible. For this means that one quenches the hope of his family, and kills the son, which could be expected, before he is born. This wickedness is now as severely as is possible condemned by the Spirit, through Moses, that Onan, as it were, through a violent and untimely birth, tore away the seed of his brother out the womb, and as cruel as shamefully has thrown on the earth. Moreover he thus has, as much as was in his power, tried to destroy a part of the human race.

30 posted on 06/09/2010 10:33:38 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

i really have to chuckle at your quoting john calvin.
as far as i know he didn’t claim to be infallible.


31 posted on 06/09/2010 11:45:07 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Far be it from me to know what context Calvin was discussing contraception. But it's clear from the snippet you offered that Calvin is preaching against avoiding having children in general (much like when the "alter Christus" denies himself a wife and family.)

Abortion is a sin. But barrier contraception is legal, moral and up to the discretion of a husband and wife.

As I said, please continue to have crotchety old celibate men and the pederasts among them keep telling women they must have a child for every year they are married in order to swell the papist ranks.

Many of those families will see this as one more good reason to depart Rome and find themselves in a Scripturally-faithful church which acknowledges no mediator nor redeemer but Christ.

52 posted on 06/09/2010 5:32:46 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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