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To: wmfights; 1000 silverlings
Prior to the crucifixion people were saved by God's grace through faith in His appearing. Now He's come. No man is without excuse because His sacrifice is not in the future, it has already occurred. It is finished..

If God is done with the Jews and given all the benefits to Christians why has God partially blinded them?

God is "done with the Jews" insofar as the writer of Hebrews tells us...

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." -- Hebrews 8:13

God has indeed "given all the benefits to the Christians."

It's sort of startling to read otherwise.

The Jews were partially blinded so that the Gentiles would believe. God no longer saves men by their own blood or race or nationality, but by Christ's blood alone. Jews are called to kneel to Christ just like you and me and Buddhhists and Mormons and atheists and democrats.

Christ tells us exactly what has transpired in the entire chapter of John 8...

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." -- John 8:31-32

Later, Paul, a Jew, weeps for his brothers who have not been given faith in Christ. He does, however, hope and pray for their eventual conversion.

And since you are agreed that Satan cannot possibly steal you out of God's hand; that the Shepherd will protect every member of His flock, no matter what, then it only seems reasonable to believe that Satan is indeed bound. He still prowls and still beguiles and destroys the reprobate. But he is impotent against those for whom Christ died.

Bound. Not dead. Bound. Restricted.

264 posted on 06/10/2010 4:16:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings
Prior to the crucifixion people were saved by God's grace through faith in His appearing.

I'm not sure I would have phrased it quite that way, but I do agree that they were saved through faith. The superstars of the Bible in Hebrews 11 all acted on faith. Would you agree that this was different than after the cross?

After the cross it is Faith in The Gospel (death, burial, resurrection of Jesus) but that was a mystery even to the Apostles before cross. Israel was looking for a physical, political, earthly Kingdom with it's King the Messiah, just like the Amils today.

Also, where did the souls of those superstars of the Bible go prior to the cross. I believe Luke 16:19-31 tells us. However after the cross we no longer go to Abraham's bosom, aka paradise. Now we go straight to our Lord Jesus Christ. Another clear distinction between before the cross and after the cross.

IOW, we do clearly see different dispensations between before the cross and after.

The Jews were partially blinded so that the Gentiles would believe. God no longer saves men by their own blood or race or nationality, but by Christ's blood alone.

I've never said otherwise and I haven't heard any premillenialists say otherwise.

And Scripture clearly says that when God has saved all the Gentiles He intends to save Israel (Jews). The only way for this to happen is for them to believe The Gospel, which is exactly what happens during the Tribulation.

And since you are agreed that Satan cannot possibly steal you out of God's hand; that the Shepherd will protect every member of His flock, no matter what, then it only seems reasonable to believe that Satan is indeed bound.

No it does not.

Let me give you a different way to look at this. During Passover the Jewish homes with blood on the posts and lentils were saved, but those without it died. Today we are protected because we are Jesus' flock, but outside of this protection others suffer.

266 posted on 06/10/2010 5:52:37 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; 1000 silverlings
God is "done with the Jews" insofar as the writer of Hebrews tells us...

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." -- Hebrews 8:13

God has indeed "given all the benefits to the Christians."

Therein lies the folly of Replacement Theology:

The Covenants, BOTH of them, are made with the House of Judah and the House of Israel - Just to be sure: the Covenant with both Great Houses of Israel precludes any assumption that "spiritual Israel" can be assumed. This is national Israel. Christians are grafted into the Covenant, and thereby beneficiary. But the children of the Gentiles are adopted in, where the natural branches exist:

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

What is "Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away?" It is not gone. it is only "waxing old." When does/did this Covenant disappear? Obviously not with Christ's death, resurrection, or ascension... All of these were already history at the time of this writing...

The Jews were partially blinded so that the Gentiles would believe.

No, The Jews were blinded so that the gentiles could believe... Time for the gentiles to hear and repent... the Church age - It is written that when Israel says (as a nation) "Blessed is he who comes in the Name of the Lord," It is all over.

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

269 posted on 06/11/2010 5:34:41 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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