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To: mountn man; Matchett-PI; Paved Paradise

“1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

18Therefore comfort one another with these words.”

We are even told when this will happen.

From John 6
39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up AT THE LAST DAY.
40For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.
Jesus answered. 44”No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.
54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.

From John 11
23Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”
24Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection AT THE LAST DAY.”

Whether or not you want to refer to the rapture, I suspect we all believe, based on 1 Thessalonians, that Jesus Christ is returning for his saints, first for those who have already died, and then immediately after those still living on earth will be taken up to meet Him. Where we part company is that those who tend to refer to “THE RAPTURE”, tend also to be subscribing to a rather convoluted eschatology. The passages above from the Gospel of John tell us when Christ will return - and its not the second last day, or 7 years before the last day - it’s THE LAST DAY. That is the framework into which all other eschatology has to fit.


149 posted on 06/08/2010 5:11:29 AM PDT by Diapason
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To: Diapason
The passages above from the Gospel of John tell us when Christ will return - and its not the second last day, or 7 years before the last day - it’s THE LAST DAY. That is the framework into which all other eschatology has to fit.

None of the passages you cite have anything to do with the return of Christ. They are all resurrection passages. When will Christ raise this person or that person ... on the last day. My question would be "the last day of what?" ... where will we find information on what the last day is? To take this as a "framework into which all other eschatology has to fit" will produce some very "interesting" views.

Would you not agree that any framework for an eschatology should explain ALL the Biblical data ... not filter that data through a selected passage?

151 posted on 06/08/2010 5:27:10 AM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: Diapason

All I know is there is going to be a rapture. I don’t focus on any of the other stuff. It takes too much time away from doing God’s work.


154 posted on 06/08/2010 7:19:29 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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