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To: kevao
Read John 8...

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God." -- John 8:31-47

I don't know what God's plan is for unbelieving Jews. I pray He will be merciful to their unbelief and bring them to faith in Christ. Their disbelief led to my salvation and the salvation of all gentiles.

I like the explanation found...HERE.

129 posted on 06/07/2010 9:46:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I don't know what God's plan is for unbelieving Jews.

Interesting article. Many thanks!

I don't understand your confusion about God's plan for unbelieving Jews. They will, of course, share the same fate as unbelieving Gentiles:

Clearly, God is not "done with Israel", for out of the Great Tribulation will be saved a remnant of 144,000 Jews. This is stated clearly in Revelation. It follows that the rest of the Jews will reject Christ, and therefore share the same fate as unbelieving Gentiles.

What puzzles me is your confusion regarding this issue. I've seen many of your posts throughout the years. Without question, you are someone who has studied the scriptures extensively and are an ardent Calvinist. Why would you, of all people, expect God -- Who is no respecter of persons -- to treat an unbelieving Jew any differently than an unbelieving Gentile?

133 posted on 06/07/2010 10:13:23 PM PDT by kevao
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