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To: Leoni
Granting three marriages inside the church while the first two spouses are still alive, is a heretical soul killing doctrine, a doctrine of Orthodox church authorized adultery.

But not the Latin Church? I am unable to find the maximum number of marriages that the Latin Church will grant - there are no guidelines that I can find - so theoretically the number of marriages that the Latin Church will allow is virtually infinite - to the lifespan of the individual. There are no limits to the number of annulments that the Latin Church will grant either, according my research.

So there you have it. The Orthodox set a limit on three. The Latins have no limit. What is your beef with the Orthodox?

261 posted on 06/10/2010 3:00:17 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Leoni
But not the Latin Church?

The Church as a whole generally opposed remarriage more than divorce. Divorce for reasons of adultery was always acceptable to the Church, but by the 9th century in western Europe divorces pretty much ceased. Rome also had civil divorce laws. As a Christian-only country, obviously divorces in the Roman Empire were not handled by the Church. That means the Church did accept civil divorces and apparently did so until the 9th century.

The Orthodox limit of two divorces and three marriages is an arbitrary one. There was a case in the 9th century when a Roman Emperor was widowed three times and asked for the 4th marriage and the Bishop of Constantinople refused. For that he was sacked by the Emperor. The other four Patriarch (one being the Pope) approved his fourth marriage because apparently only the Greek Church was opposed to more than three marriages for any reason, even if legitimate. Contrary to Leoni's It's not biblical but canonical. It's not dogma but economy.

264 posted on 06/10/2010 3:19:40 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50
Leoni wrote: Granting three marriages inside the (Orthodox)church while the first two spouses are still alive, is a heretical soul killing doctrine, a doctrine of Orthodox church authorized adultery.

MarkBsnr answered: But not the Latin Church? I am unable to find the maximum number of marriages that the Latin Church will grant - there are no guidelines that I can find - so theoretically the number of marriages that the Latin Church will allow is virtually infinite - to the lifespan of the individual. There are no limits to the number of annulments that the Latin Church will grant either, according my research.

I commented in another posting "What a mess is your knowledge of Catholicism!" What religion are you anyways?" AND you answer "Catholic".

I find it hard to believe that you are Catholic. In all sincerity, you should not be posting anything. You don't know your own Faith.

I am unable to find the maximum number of marriages that the Latin Church will grant - there are no guidelines that I can find - so theoretically the number of marriages that the Latin Church will allow is virtually infinite - to the lifespan of the individual.

So, because you can't find "the maximum number of marriages that the Latin Church will grant", " THEN YOU conclude that "the number of marriages that the Latin Church will allow is virtually infinite - to the lifespan of the individual"?

How many minutes did you use of your time to do that "research"?

Any Catholic knows marriage is for life. The couple marry "till death do us part". Were you not married in the Church? A married Catholic who marries another, while his spouse is still alive is excommunicated from the Catholic Church, they can't go to communion, because he is living in adultery, a MORTAL SIN. That is why I said "Granting three marriages inside the (Orthodox)church while the first two spouses are still alive, is a heretical soul killing doctrine, a doctrine of Orthodox church authorized adultery.

There are no limits to the number of annulments that the Latin Church will grant either, according my research.

Come on! How many minutes did you spend with this "research". What is an annulment? What does it mean? I'd suggest you read a definition made prior to 1960. (Prior to 1960's and going back to the early Church, it was likely no different with the number of worldwide annulments as in the 1930' to 1950's, years for which I have statistics, and they are that there were an average of like 35-50 annulments granted WORLDWIDE by the Catholic Church. In the 1970 to 1990's the USA bishops alone granted 50,000 to 90,000 annulments!. Obviously, they changed something. Rome has overturned like 90% of all the annulments granted by the USA bishops when they have been appealed by one of the spouses, nevertheless, very few have been appealed comparitively speaking. IT IS AN ABERATION from Catholic history, by rebelious, USA Bishops who have lost all fear of God, and either lost the Faith or their marbles.

The Orthodox Church as a matter of doctrine allows a person to marry three times while their first two spouses still live.The aberrant USA "Catholic "bishops grant annulments in rebelion to the Faith, not as a practice of the Church. BIG DIFFERENCE! One is wrong by doctrine, the other accomplishes the same by rebelion.

Any Catholic that has a USA annulment is likely fooloing themselves. 35 annulments WORLD WIDE per year in the 1930's, 50,000 to 90,000 per year in the USA in the post-Vatican II era. What are the chances of any of these 50,000 to 90,000 per year annulments eing valid in the eyes of God. Slim and none!

269 posted on 06/10/2010 5:11:35 PM PDT by Leoni
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50
Leoni wrote: Granting three marriages inside the (Orthodox)church while the first two spouses are still alive, is a heretical soul killing doctrine, a doctrine of Orthodox church authorized adultery.

MarkBsnr answered: But not the Latin Church? I am unable to find the maximum number of marriages that the Latin Church will grant - there are no guidelines that I can find - so theoretically the number of marriages that the Latin Church will allow is virtually infinite - to the lifespan of the individual. There are no limits to the number of annulments that the Latin Church will grant either, according my research.

Leoni responds: I commented in another posting "What a mess is your knowledge of Catholicism!" What religion are you anyways?" AND you answer "Catholic".

I find it hard to believe that you are Catholic. In all sincerity, you should not be posting anything. You don't know your own Faith.

I am unable to find the maximum number of marriages that the Latin Church will grant - there are no guidelines that I can find - so theoretically the number of marriages that the Latin Church will allow is virtually infinite - to the lifespan of the individual.

So, because you can't find "the maximum number of marriages that the Latin Church will grant", " THEN YOU conclude that "the number of marriages that the Latin Church will allow is virtually infinite - to the lifespan of the individual"?

How many minutes did you use of your time to do that "research"?

Any Catholic knows marriage is for life. The couple marry "till death do us part". Were you not married in the Church? A married Catholic who marries another, while his spouse is still alive is excommunicated from the Catholic Church, they can't go to communion, because he is living in adultery, a MORTAL SIN. That is why I said "Granting three marriages inside the (Orthodox)church while the first two spouses are still alive, is a heretical soul killing doctrine, a doctrine of Orthodox church authorized adultery.

There are no limits to the number of annulments that the Latin Church will grant either, according my research.

Come on! How many minutes did you spend with this "research". What is an annulment? What does it mean? I'd suggest you read a definition made prior to 1960. (Prior to 1960's and going back to the early Church, it was likely no different with the number of worldwide annulments as in the 1930' to 1950's, years for which I have statistics, and they are that there were an average of like 35-50 annulments granted WORLDWIDE by the Catholic Church. In the 1970 to 1990's the USA bishops alone granted 50,000 to 90,000 annulments!. Obviously, they changed something. Rome has overturned like 90% of all the annulments granted by the USA bishops when they have been appealed by one of the spouses, nevertheless, very few have been appealed comparatively speaking. IT IS AN ABERATION from Catholic history, by rebellious, USA Bishops who have lost all fear of God, and either lost the Faith or their marbles.

The Orthodox Church as a matter of doctrine allows a person to marry three times while their first two spouses still live.The aberrant USA "Catholic "bishops grant annulments in rebellion to the Faith, not as a practice of the Church. BIG DIFFERENCE! One is wrong by doctrine, the other accomplishes the same by rebellion.

Any Catholic that has a USA annulment is likely fooling themselves. 35 annulments WORLD WIDE per year in the 1930's, 50,000 to 90,000 per year in the USA in the post-Vatican II era. What are the chances of any of these 50,000 to 90,000 per year annulments being valid in the eyes of God. Slim and none!

270 posted on 06/10/2010 5:15:29 PM PDT by Leoni
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