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To: Iscool

“I claim I am a Christian of the Scriptures...”

Yes, you claim this. However, this is not so. Scripture does not claim to be the only authority. Scripture itself writes that tradition is also necessary.

The Church teaches, if you care to read, that Scripture and Tradition are both essential. You cannot rightly understand the one without the other.

It does not claim, as you assert that scripture is worthless, or that tradition is superior. Tradition and Scripture, Scripture and tradition together.

“Your religion says, ‘join your Church’...My scriptures say, ‘call on the name of Jesus’...”

What is the difference? Christ himself formed the Catholic church. He wants Christians to be together with one another, not as individuals.

“I don’t believe you and you don’t believe me...One of us is trusting the words of Jesus in the scriptures”

No, we both do, except one of us is wrong in what it says. You are very wrong in saying that scripture asserts sola scriptura. It does not. Scripture actually says that the tradition of the church has been handed down from the Apostles to the catechumens, the new believers, and these new believers have a duty to do the same.

“Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

And Timothy says we are to pass the traditions we have learned to one another.

“Based on John’s statement and tons of other scripture, I put my trust and authority in the written worlds of God; alone...”

Where does John include the word, alone? It’s not there. You’ve interpolated it into the text as Luther has.


46 posted on 06/02/2010 12:43:15 AM PDT by BenKenobi (I want to hear more about Sam! Samwise the stouthearted!)
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To: BenKenobi
And Timothy says we are to pass the traditions we have learned to one another.

In which case, traditions would have nothing to do with our salvation...Because John said everything to do with our salvation had been written...Traditions would be such as shaking hands with the brethern as they gather...

But more to a scriptural reference, the traditions were the scriptures before they were written...

Timothy said tradition OR scripture...How could one OR the other be authorative unless they are the same...How can you pick one, or the other unless they are the same???

47 posted on 06/02/2010 12:52:33 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: BenKenobi
Where does John include the word, alone? It’s not there. You’ve interpolated it into the text as Luther has.

Not at all...Show me how you would rewrite the sentence to include tradition without adding to what John wrote...

48 posted on 06/02/2010 12:54:47 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: BenKenobi

Don’t bother arguing with this person. Gone are the days of civilized, reasoned argument; FR is full of snake-handlers, Roundheads, and Rapture jockeys now, and you might as well try debating with a bag full of sponges. Just leave him to the Holy Spirit and let him get back to his self-centered home-brew religion.


50 posted on 06/02/2010 4:40:40 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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