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To: Colofornian
I sharply disagree with your presentation of the Book of Mormon treatment of a Jesus with the Nephites as "stunningly beautiful." It wasn't. You have mischaracterized and misrepresented the Book of Mormon to people at-large. And I'm simply asking you to readjust your statement.

And it came to pass that when Jesus had thus spoken, he cast his eyes round about again on the multitude, and beheld they were in tears, and did look steadfastly upon him, as if they would ask him to tarry a little longer with them.

And he said unto them, Behold, my bowels are filled with compassion towards you: Have ye any that are sick among you, bring them hither.

Have ye any that are lame, or blind, or halt, or maimed, or leprous, or that are withered, or that are deaf, or that are afflicted in any manner, bring them hither, and I will heal them, for I have compassion upon you;

My bowels are filled with mercy; for I perceive that ye desire that I should shew unto you what I have done unto your brethren at Jerusalem, for I see that your faith is sufficient, that I should heal you.

And it came to pass that when he had thus spoken, all the multitude, with one accord, did go forth, with their sick, and their afflicted, and their lame, and with their blind, and with their dumb, and with all they that were afflicted in any manner; and he did heal them every one as they were brought forth unto him;

And they did all, both they who had been healed, and they who were whole, bow down at his feet, and did worship him;

And as many as could come, for the multitude, did kiss his feet, insomuch that they did bathe his feet with their tears.

And it came to pass that he commanded that their little children should be brought.

So they brought their little children and sat them down upon the ground round about him, and Jesus stood in the midst; and the multitude gave way till they had all been brought unto him.

And it came to pass that when they had all been brought, and Jesus stood in the midst, he commanded the multitude that they should kneel down upon the ground.

And it came to pass that when they had knelt upon the ground, Jesus groaned within himself, and saith, Father, I am troubled because of the wickedness of the people of the house of Israel.

And when he had said these words, he himself also knelt upon the earth, and behold he prayed unto the Father, and the things which he prayed, can not be written, and the multitude did bear record who heard him.

And after this manner do they bear record; the eye hath never seen, neither hath the ear heard, before, so great and marvelous things as we saw and heard Jesus speak unto the Father;

And no tongue can speak, neither can there be written by any man, neither can the hearts of men conceive so great and marvelous things as we both saw and heard Jesus speak;

And no one can conceive of the joy which filled our souls at the time we heard him pray for us unto the Father.

And it came to pass that when Jesus had made an end of praying unto the Father, he arose; but so great was the joy of the multitude, that they were overcome.

And it came to pass that Jesus spake unto them, and bade them arise.

And they arose from the earth, and he said unto them, Blessed are ye because of your faith. And now behold my joy is full.

And when he had said these words, he wept, and the multitude bear record of it, and he took their little children, one by one, and blessed them, and prayed unto the Father for them.

And when he had done this he wept again, and he spake unto the multitude, and saith unto them, Behold your little ones.

And as they looked to behold, they cast their eyes towards heaven, and they saw the heavens open, and they saw angels descending out of heaven as it were, in the midst of fire; and they came down and encircled those little ones about;

And they were encircled about with fire; and the angels did minister unto them, and the multitude did see and hear, and bear record; and they know that their record is true, for they all of them did see and hear, every man for himself;

And they were in number about two thousand and five hundred souls; and they did consist of men, women and children.

506 posted on 05/30/2010 8:56:34 AM PDT by John McDonnell
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To: John McDonnell
John, let me be brutally honest with the Book of Mormon accounts.

There's been a certain case in Utah, where a man kidnapped a teen-age girl, claimed to make her his "wife," and raped her daily.

Now, I suppose if we had access to this perp's "journal" during the kidnapping ordeal, journals like those in the lds and flds cultures are encouraged to keep, we might find some "compassionate" and "tender" entry on a particular day of how he "loved" his "wife."

But would that match overall reality? Even if one account could be truthfully rendered as to how "tender" he was toward his victim on a specific day, much like how "tender" the Book of Mormon jesus (who is not THE Jesus), that would not in any way, shape, or form offset what this rapist did to this victim.

So, likewise, for you to publish this section of verses, without bothering to mention that "Oh, BTW, the Book of Mormon jesus then proceeded to burn, drown, and bury them alive" is a major "joke" of a presentation by you!

What you have done would be tantamount to Joseph Smith taking the Upper room scene, where He was most tender toward the disciples, washing their feet, loving them with a servant-leaders' love...and then "JSTing"/"Inspired Versioning" it to death by adding a scene where the Smithian Jesus proceeds then to go downstairs, round up the townspeople, and proceed to burn, drown and bury them alive.

Do you think if Smith added such a scene to the JST/IV that people would come away reading that, "Oh, how 'stunningly beautiful.' How 'compassionate.' How 'tender.'"???

You can't wrestle one portion of 3 Nephi out of context with the 3 Nephi chapters 8-12! Because if you do, then you present a partial picture. It misrepresents the Book of Mormon jesus.

511 posted on 05/30/2010 9:17:11 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: John McDonnell
John, there needs to be some "integrity" (oneness) in your presentation of the Book of Mormon jesus...and, unfortunately, when that happens -- when we look at the Nephite jesus, this is a false jesus...another jesus (2 Cor. 11:3-4).

How do we know? Because it militates against the very purposes Jesus said represented His Father: 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:17)

Anybody reading about the Book of Mormon jesus having an anger fit upon dying, smoting 70,000 - 90,000 people with fiery, watery, and earthy deaths - would have to proclaim John/Jesus re: John 3:17 words as "lyin'" words!

514 posted on 05/30/2010 9:37:31 AM PDT by Colofornian
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