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The fight over Book of Mormon geography
Mormon Times ^ | May 27, 2010 | Michael DeGroote

Posted on 05/27/2010 6:44:33 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: magritte

“I assume your LDS family loves Christ as well? Shouldn’t that be enough ??”

WHICH CHRIST?


221 posted on 05/27/2010 3:41:05 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: SZonian; magritte
I like mormons, there are many good people in the religion. I know and associate with many because of my past involvement as a member and because of my wife’s current activity in the LdS church.

That doesn’t mean I am not allowed to disagree with the theology.

First of all, NO ONE is allowed to disagree with mormon theology according to them! Secondly, you are a lowly APOSTATE and as such will be sent into eternal darkness

WHAT? You thought it was like leaving a Christian church or something?

The only group not covered are the people who left Mormonism. Once professing belief in the Mormon doctrine, they subsequently rejected Mormonism. They are called apostates or sons of perdition. They too will be resurrected but many, if not all, will be sent to Outer Darkness. (Outer Darkness is the name Mormonism gives to the domain of Satan and his legions.) These apostates are the only people sent to eternal existence with the devil. In speaking of Outer Darkness, the original Mormon prophet Joseph Smith said “This is the case with many apostates of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (quoted in Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual, p. 358).

From the King Follett Sermon

The Unpardonable Sin

I have a declaration to make as to the provisions which God hath made to suit the conditions of man—made from before the foundation of the world. What has Jesus said? All sins, and all blasphemies, and every transgression, except one, that man can be guilty of, may be forgiven; and there is a salvation for all men, either in this world or the world to come, who have not committed the unpardonable sin, there being a provision either in this world or the world of spirits. Hence God hath made a provision that every spirit in the eternal world can be ferreted out and saved unless he has committed that unpardonable sin which cannot be remitted to him either in this world or the world of spirits. God has wrought out a salvation for all men, unless they have committed a certain sin; and every man who has a friend in the eternal world can save him, unless he has committed the unpardonable sin. And so you can see how far you can be a savior.

A man cannot commit the unpardonable sin after the dissolution of the body, and there is a way possible for escape. Knowledge saves a man; and in the world of spirits no man can be exalted but by knowledge. So long as a man will not give heed to the commandments, he must abide without salvation. If a man has knowledge, he can be saved; although, if he has been guilty of great sins, he will be punished for them. But when he consents to obey the gospel, whether here or in the world of spirits, he is saved.

A man is his own tormentor and his own condemner. Hence the saying, They shall go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. The torment of disappointment in the mind is as exquisite as a lake burning with fire and brimstone. I say, so is the torment of man.

I know the scriptures and understand them. I said, no man can commit the unpardonable sin after the dissolution of the body, nor in this life, until he receives the Holy Ghost; but they must do it in this world. Hence the salvation of Jesus Christ was wrought out for all men, in order to triumph over the devil; for if it did not catch him in one place, it would in another; for he stood up as a Savior. All will suffer until they obey Christ himself.

The contention in heaven was—Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the devil said he would save them all, and laid his plans before the grand council, who gave their vote in favor of Jesus Christ. So the devil rose up in rebellion against God, and was cast down, with all who put up their heads for him. (Book of Moses—Pearl of Great Price, Ch. 4:1–4; Book of Abraham, Ch. 3:23–28.) [Moses 4:1–4; Abr. 3:23–28]

 

The unpardonable sin is to willfully deny and defy the Holy Ghost after having received His witness.

“Chapter 8: The Holy Ghost,” Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith, 67

No man can sin against light until he has it; nor against the Holy Ghost, until after he has received it by the gift of God through the appointed channel or way. To sin against the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of Truth, the Comforter, the Witness of the Father and the Son, wilfully denying him and defying him, after having received him, constitutes [the unpardonable sin]. 16

If any people on earth are capable of committing the unpardonable sin, you will find them among those who have, or will, come to a knowledge of the truth. … You and I have received the light. We have received the Holy Priesthood. We have received the testimony of the Holy Spirit, and have been brought from death unto life. Therefore, we are now on very safe or on dangerous ground,—dangerous if we are trifling with these sacred things that have been committed to our care. Hence I warn you, my brethren and sisters, especially my brethren, against trifling with your [priesthood]. … If you do, as God lives He will withdraw His Spirit from you, and the time will come when you will be found kicking against the light and knowledge which you have received, and you may become sons of perdition. Therefore, you had better beware lest the second death shall be passed upon you.

LDS.org


222 posted on 05/27/2010 4:01:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Illegal-alien immunity builds on sanctuary cities, which shield illegals from federal law)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
WHICH CHRIST?

How many do you have?

223 posted on 05/27/2010 4:02:58 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (I'm converting to Mormonism to piss off Colofornian. But I'll be going commando.)
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To: greyfoxx39

That was a bit rambly. But I’ll give you points for italics and bold.


224 posted on 05/27/2010 4:03:41 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (I'm converting to Mormonism to piss off Colofornian. But I'll be going commando.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Well, points from you are very hard to come by, so thanks.


225 posted on 05/27/2010 4:07:28 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Illegal-alien immunity builds on sanctuary cities, which shield illegals from federal law)
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To: Larry Lucido; aMorePerfectUnion

You should ask a mormon that question. They’re the ones with the god/jesus identity crisis.


226 posted on 05/27/2010 4:08:09 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: greyfoxx39

What was I thinking?

You’re absolutely correct. Anything I have to say regarding mormonism is cause for outright dismissal and scorn because of my status as an apostate.

Thanks for reminding me. I’ll try to remember my place next time.


227 posted on 05/27/2010 4:10:43 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian
Thanks for reminding me. I’ll try to remember my place next time.

Oh, I'm sure our resident scold will remind you of your place..again and again and again....;)

228 posted on 05/27/2010 4:13:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Illegal-alien immunity builds on sanctuary cities, which shield illegals from federal law)
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To: SZonian

youre an apostate ex-mo and I get remionded that i never have been a motmon...

I wonder if ex-Presbyterians have any credibility ???


229 posted on 05/27/2010 4:20:31 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

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230 posted on 05/27/2010 4:50:25 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Godzilla

I’ve never read the application...


231 posted on 05/27/2010 4:52:39 PM PDT by donozark (Error encountered:Location is ambiguous....)
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To: Godzilla; donozark

How could he be? He hadn’t been baptized by the proper ‘authority’.


232 posted on 05/27/2010 5:05:03 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: magritte; Tennessee Nana

Orthodox Jews have a sore spot on anything Holocaust/Nazi related...but that is not Torah related, it’s PERSONAL....magritte

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Um....I’m a CHRISTIAN and I have a huge ‘sore spot’ when it comes to anything Holocaust/Nazi related. It is PERSONAL for me too.

I lost my grandmother and one aunt in the camps. My father and another aunt survived. My Grandfather survived a work camp.


233 posted on 05/27/2010 5:07:25 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: donozark; Tennessee Nana; Elsie

List goes on and on. Stealing for Jesus cuts all faiths. One of the worst forms of “lying for the Lord.”

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But Mormons have it as part of their Scriptures (Book of Moses where GOD commands Abraham to lie) and a vast and common practice (I was even taught it in mission prep class).

Bob Millet is a great proponent of it. Lie, lie, lie just to make ‘the church’ look good.

Christians condemn (or should) Baker and Swaggart and many other televangelists as well so your pathetic attempt at equating the two won’t fly.


234 posted on 05/27/2010 5:17:53 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut
All the Christian I know have called these shysters out. They pray for them, which we should do but in no way accept their behavior.
All we hear from lds is excuses about JS, BY and others.
235 posted on 05/27/2010 5:27:41 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: reaganaut; Elsie

Smith was bapitised by Cowdery whom did not possess any priesthood authority...

Oh noez..

and then after that Smith turned around and baptised Cowdrey...again with no priesthood authority...

They are all suppose to pass on “through laying on of hands” some “authority”

but nobody had it to start with...

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Dont tell em that Elsies goatz haz more authority and power to make holey than the mormon pesthood holder haz...

LOL


236 posted on 05/27/2010 5:29:52 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Larry Lucido

“WHICH CHRIST?

“How many do you have?

I have but One - the Biblical Jesus Christ, eternally God, neither created, nor made, Second Person of the Triune Godhead.

The mormonites have a different jesus - a created spirit being, just like anyone and just like satan, who became a man, and later became one of the trillions of gods in the mormonite pantheon of gods.

Which do you worship?


237 posted on 05/27/2010 5:38:05 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Elsie

But an apricot makes no sense.


238 posted on 05/27/2010 5:40:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Yea, but apricots make really great jam.


239 posted on 05/27/2010 5:51:53 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: reaganaut

Jim Bakker is back in the high life again. Thanks to his donors. And his phone banks, although not nearly as $ucce$$ful as prior to his conviction and sentence. Revived by a Christian millionaire from near Branson MO. And his continued success is due to Christian donors. Just sayin’. Stealing for Jesus is a wealth enterprise.

Stealing for Allah is a wealth enterprise. Oft times $ ops run from our nations prisons. Doubt if there is any religion that doesn’t practice $same.

I once took a Rabbi to prison. Life is strange. People in it stranger...And mankind is motivated by $$....


240 posted on 05/27/2010 6:00:32 PM PDT by donozark (Error encountered:Location is ambiguous....)
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