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To: GingisK
The heart of the matter is to discredit the moronic and highly uneducated new age leaders.

I agree with your solution but as others have indicated, the person involved (imho) has to be somewhat receptive and has a doubt about the belief. It is truly a spirtual warfare for his mind and this type of teaching/warning surfaces in Scripture over and over again.

With that said, I'm not sure what your interpretation of a zealous Christian or religious zealot would be. You seem to imply (I may be misunderstanding your point) that if someone asserts that the presence of a spirtual being or ET is demonic, they are a zealot? From what I've read, the Bible is largely silent on ET's, it is not however, silent about spirtual forces and entitities.

The case was made to me years ago, that Eziekel's vision of a 'wheel within a wheel' could have been a possible indication of a UFO but...that was only speculation. jimho, if ET's existed and were spotted throughout time or prophesied about, God would have made that plain to us in His word. I doubt the existance of them myself but not because I'm a zealot but because there is no hardcore evidence,only fabricated tales by humans. And yes, my doubt also comes from Scripture as I've yet to see God speaking about ET's.

It's pretty astounding that through all the years that man has studied this, nothing has materialized and yet these 'groups & cults' are hardcore and swear that they do exist. That people could fall into such a snare is extremely concerning.

136 posted on 05/28/2010 11:13:32 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Control the American people? Herding cats would be easier.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

The case was made to me years ago, that Eziekel’s vision of a ‘wheel within a wheel’ could have been a possible indication of a UFO but...that was only speculation. jimho, if ET’s existed and were spotted throughout time or prophesied about, God would have made that plain to us in His word. I doubt the existance of them myself but not because I’m a zealot but because there is no hardcore evidence,only fabricated tales by humans. And yes, my doubt also comes from Scripture as I’ve yet to see God speaking about ET’s.

= = =

NO. NOT NECESSARILY, AT ALL.

And, in terms of hard core evidence . . . there is

SCIENTIFICALLY VERIFIED HARD CORE EVIDENCE

FROM 3,000 TO 4,000 individual ‘landing’ or ‘near landing’ cases. The Aztec Symposium in 2009 had the expert on that give a fine presentation on that research by highly qualified personnel.

Yes, the oligarchy and black ops and psy ops folks have done a great job of confusing things, deception etc. . . .

which, the END TIMES GREAT DECEPTION the Bible does speak about.

It’s important to note that Guy Malone of

HTTP://WWW.ANCIENTOFDAYS.NET

Does NOT say such things don’t exist. He ‘merely’ documents excellent reasons for calling the critters ‘fallen angels.’


138 posted on 05/28/2010 11:26:17 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Outlaw Woman

BTW,

I assume you know that CRI’s founder Dr Walter Martin’s family, last I checked, had good reason for their considering HH as a self-seeking, charlatan, deceiver, unscrupulous etc.

Quite the opposite sort of fellow from Guy Malone.

Also, probably 1,000 times more abrasive and disagreeable.


140 posted on 05/28/2010 11:28:55 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Outlaw Woman
You seem to imply ... if someone asserts that the presence of a spirtual being or ET is demonic, they are a zealot?

No, I am applying that term to those who apply ship loads of Scripture to things that really aren't in Scripture. The Bible doesn't have any reference to the ET/UFO topic. The zealots assume they MUST apply Scripture to everything, and the demon interpretation is an easy pick from their tool box.

I tend to take a wider view of Creation in that I have no reason, Biblical or otherwise, to assume that only the Earth was populated with intelligence. It seems natural to me that ETs would exist. It also seems natural to me to suspect that ETs can be every bit as nasty as Earth people. After all, we haven't become any nicer as our technology improved. Advanced technology merely provides more efficient ways to lie, cheat, steal, and kill in large numbers.

The zealots are sure that ill-behaved ETs just have to be demons. I'd say that humans would also have to be demons under that measure.

You have a problem on your hands. I disagree with those who think this can be solved through a faith-based approach. Christian religious beliefs are faith based, same as the UFO based cults. The UFO faith can be shaken by the application of scientific fact; however, true religious faiths are impervious to science. Science, after all, is merely the determination of the secular/physical details of Creation.

Somehow you need to convince your family member to test the basic scientific knowledge of his leadership. They will fail the test.

By the way, if you think UFOs and ETs don't exist, go check out the documents on abovetopsecret.com. There is physical evidence of their presence, and the government knows this all too well. It is hidden from the public partly because many religious people come unglued at those prospects.

141 posted on 05/28/2010 11:32:45 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Outlaw Woman
I referred you to the wrong “fringe site”. There are alleged government documents on the majesticdocuments.com site. There are also analysis essays regarding the authenticity of those documents, both for and against. It is very hairy reading.
150 posted on 05/28/2010 12:09:28 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: Outlaw Woman

THE ODDS ARE HIGHLY THAT

the person invovled has some significant degree of REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDER from insufficient bonding/loving/healthy affection—particularly from Dad, the first 6-8 years of life.

There is also likely some co-dependent stuff going on.

It may be that some information and addressing THOSE issues devoid of any mention of the UFO stuff, could be fruitful as guided by Holy Spirit.

There’s good docs on the net on both those topics.


218 posted on 05/29/2010 7:25:29 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Outlaw Woman; Star Traveler; GingisK; LibertyRocks

You said....”the person involved (imho) has to be somewhat receptive and has a doubt about the belief. It is truly a spirtual warfare for his mind and this type of teaching/warning surfaces in Scripture over and over again”......

The fact the Lord warns us over and over about deceptions tells us clearly they can come from numerous directions and often unexpectedly....”seeking whom he may devour”...comes to mind....and generally when an individual is at a week point or going thru some difficulty which might not be known to those around them.

I read recently that when men are stressed they often go fishing etc. turn to something they enjoy that takes their minds off the issue so they can think it thru....if this person was researching things, and enjoyed that greatly.. lets say like gov.conspiracies, the 2012 hype, UFO’s and that which many of the NEWAGE cult incorporates into their practices could an individual at some point get hooked stepping close to the edge like that at a time when they are not exactly secure in their life in some way? Because these cults are using what attracts the “fringe” minded individual...so its like a a bait and switch.? Cunningly done no doubt as I have seen that on their sites. And they are especially interested in Christian based people because they use that also as a “cover”....


233 posted on 05/29/2010 12:11:21 PM PDT by caww
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