The Origin of Man - Mormon (OPEN)

Ensign Magazine, From Improvement Era, Nov. 1909 ^ | Feb 2002 | First Presidency

[greyfoxx39]

There have been individials praying for me saying I believe in Pagan god, or follow satan etc!

Incredible!

[greyfoxx39]

Paradise is that part of the spirit world in which the righteous spirits who have departed from this life await the resurrection of the body.
It is a condition of happiness and peace. However, the scriptures are not always consistent in the use of the word, especially in the Bible

Houeto, this is a misleading and simplistic statement of mormon belief regarding the "afterlife" according to mormon belief or "Three Degrees of Glory". Note that "righteous sprits" is code for those spirits who either in this life, or after they die, are baptized and confirmed members of the mormon church and the lowest degree, "Telestial Kingdom" is reserved for souls who "Received not gospel of Christ" (received, accepted mormonism).

For the correct and official description, taken from approved doctrine, here is a chart laying it all out with a longer description to be found at the LDS official website

HERE

Perdition and the Three Degrees of Glory

Doctrine and Covenants 76:30-112; 131:1-4

 

Eternal Habitation	Verse	Actions/Works	Consequences
Perdition (no Kingdom or Glory)	31	Known & partaken of God’s power
	31	Suffered selves to be overcome by devil
	31	Deny the truth and defy God’s power
	33		Vessels of wrath
	33		Doomed to suffer wrath of God
	34		No forgiveness in this world/world to come
	35	Denied Holy Spirit after receiving it
	35	Denied Only Begotten Son
	35	Crucified Son unto themselves, to an open shame
	36		Go into lake of fire/brimstone w/ devil and angels
	37		Only ones whom second death shall have any power
	38		Not be redeemed in due time of the Lord
	48		The end, width, height, depth and misery none understand
Celestial Kingdom	51	Received testimony of Jesus
	51	Believed in Christ’s name
	51	Baptized in water in his name
	52	Keep commandments
	52		Washed and cleanses from sins
	52	Receive the Holy Spirit by laying on of hands by one ordained
	52, 53	Sealed by power of the Spirit
	53	Overcome by faith
	53		Holy Spirit shed on them
	54		The Church of the Firstborn
	55		Father gives all things into their hands
	56		Are priests and kings
	56		Received of God’s fullness and glory
	57		Priests after the order of the Only Begotten Son
	58		They are gods/sons of God
	59		All things are theirs
	60		Shall overcome all things
	62		Shall dwell in God’s and Christ’s presence forever
	63		Shall come with Christ to reign over the earth
	64		Have part in the first resurrection
	65		Come forth in resurrection of the just
	66		Have come unto Mount Zion, city of living God, holiest of all
	67		Come to general assembly and church of Enoch/Firstborn
	68		Names written in heaven
	69		Are just men made perfect through Jesus
	70		Bodies are celestial, glory as the glory of God
	131:2	Enter the new and everlasting covenant of marriage	Enter into highest heaven/degree in celestial kingdom
	131:3-4	Does not enter into covenant	Cannot have an increase
Terrestrial Kingdom	72	Died without the law
	73	Spirits kept in prison
	74	Received testimony of Christ in spirit world
	75	Honorable men of the earth
	75	Blinded by craftiness of men
	76		Received glory but not fullness
	77	Received presence of Son, but not the Father
	78		Bodies are terrestrial
	79	Not valiant in the testimony of Jesus	Obtain not crown over kingdom of God
Telestial Kingdom	82	Received not gospel of Christ
	82	Received not testimony of Jesus
	83	Deny not the Holy Spirit
	84		Thrust down to hell
	85		Not redeemed from devil till Christ has finished his work
	86	Received not of Christ’ fullness in eternal world
	86	Received Holy Spirit through ministration of the terrestrial
	88	Receive the administering of angels
	88	Heirs of salvation
	89		Telestial surpasses all understanding
	99-100	Those who are  some of one and some of another
	102		Not be gathered with the saints, church of the Firstborn
	103	Are liars, adulterers, whoremongers, loves and makes lies
	104		Suffered wrath of God on earth
	105		Suffer the vengeance of eternal fire
	106		Suffer the wrath of God until fullness of times
	109		Were as innumerable as the stars
	112		Be servants of God
	112		Cannot go where God and Christ dwell

 

[restornu]

I address what he post in his post you are trying to throw meat at him because it is known if he learn the way the Lord said...

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

he would discover the truth by the power of the Holy Ghost!

What is being taught today by many in the mainstream is the God of Philosophy not the God of Condescension!

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/basic/godhead/Condescension_EOM.htm

Jesus is the only God formed as stated in...

Isa 43

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of Heavenly Father as stated in...

Eph 1

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

[restornu]

Isa 51

9 ¶ Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

10 Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep; that hath made the depths of the sea a way for the ransomed to pass over?

11 Therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion; and everlasting joy shall be upon their head: they shall obtain gladness and joy; and sorrow and mourning shall flee away.

12 I, even I, am he that comforteth you: who art thou, that thou shouldest be afraid of a man that shall die, and of the son of man which shall be made as grass;

13 And forgettest the Lord thy maker, that hath stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth; and hast feared continually every day because of the fury of the oppressor, as if he were ready to destroy? and where is the fury of the oppressor?

14 The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, and that he should not die in the pit, nor that his bread should fail.

15 But I am the Lord thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The Lord of hosts is his name.

16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

[T Minus Four]

REsty, what we do it post what is taught by the LDS, from their own websites. I doubt anyone ever said YOU believe such-and-such.

I have found that many LDS are unaware of their church’s teachings and/or don’t believe the teachings.

[restornu]

Before I ever jointed I did extensive investigation on the LDS and other faiths also...

I know for a fact that mainstream seminaries has danced around the doctrines of the Lord maybe because some after after so many years what has been passed on many were so entrench in tradition never gave it a thought.

But I care not what others thinks I choose to go to the source and that is God and his written word.

When one hears truth and is a truth seeker they know their Master voice

I had combed the earth for almost 2 decades and I am so thankful the Lord gave me an excellent tour of what is out there but what belongs to him is unmistakable there are imitators and deceivers galore

One of the first things I understood was the war in Heaven and the fall of Lucifer and the promise that the opposition would in the latter days would seek control of world economics and as I witness in 2010 it is very clear now what rang so true to me it is endless what the Holy Ghost has witness to me.

So many here scoff and mocked this revelation and even today they will deny it because it would mean they would have to admit they were wrong!

[greyfoxx39]

I address what he post in his post you are trying to throw meat at him because it is known if he learn the way the Lord said... 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: he would discover the truth by the power of the Holy Ghost!

MY! What a "condescending" statement...as if houeto is unable to understand the "meat" and must be guided like a child to understanding...of course, the mormon offering of "understanding" via stones in a hat.

So, it appears you have found another mormon cudgel to pound Christians with..."God of Philosophy"...my response is those who are "taught" by the servant of the "father of lies" Joseph Smith, should be very careful that the stones they cast don't bounce back and hit them in their precept!

[reaganaut]

How come your list doesn’t list “apostates”? ;)

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Probably because the Mormon god didn’t know we weren’t going to keep our ‘second estate’ (Mortality for those of you outside the Zion curtain).

Doesn’t matter anyway, we are all headed to ‘outer darkness’ (the closest the LDS get to ‘hell’) for rejecting Mormonism.

[greyfoxx39]

When one hears truth and is a truth seeker they know their Master voice

Unfortunately, there are those who mistake the voice of Joseph Smith as their "Master's Voice".

[Godzilla]

Isa 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Interesting resty - mormonism is polytheistic in that it admits that there are multitudes of gods - yet you cite scripture that flat out refutes that doctrine. Well done resty!

[Godzilla]

Jesus is the only God formed as stated in...
Isa 43
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Excuse me resty - did the mormon jesus here have a mind cramp? He does not acknowledge the existence of heavenly father - another mormon god, nor the council of gods seated in Kolob. How can this be!

[restornu]

When one hears truth and is a truth seeker they know their Master voice

Unfortunately, there are those who mistake the voice of Joseph Smith as their “Master’s Voice”.

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When I received the witness of the Holy Ghost I never knew of Joseph Smith so there goes that theory of yours!

[svcw]

Wait a minute now.

Just recently a certain person posted that it was the holy ghost that told them that every thing joseph smith said was true.

So was that the truth or is this the truth?

Just to refresh, R said: When I received the witness of the Holy Ghost I never knew of Joseph Smith so there goes that theory of yours!

[reaganaut]

The whole ‘milk before meat’ concept is condescending. The LDS use it as a way of not telling their prospective converts all of the LDS doctrine because they ‘do not yet have enough light and knowledge’ to understand.

What this leads to, in reality, is a ‘bait and switch’. Prospective converts are told one set of doctrines and practices and then are often shocked when they find out the ‘meat’ doctrines. This practice is part of the reason why (IMO) that there is a huge inactivity rate among converts by the first year. This is especially true with people who leave right after going to the temple for the first time.

When I was taking my mission preparation class at BYU, I was given a list of ‘meat’ doctrines not to teach. When I asked why, if we had the truth we were not up front, I was told that if we taught them, no one would join.

Contrast this doctrine/idea/policy with Christianity. Christian churches do not do a ‘bait and switch’. We are up front with our beliefs and practices and do not hide doctrines or beliefs from those we are witnessing to. there is nothing to cover up or hide in the Gospel of Grace.

[Tennessee Nana]

Adam is “god”

in 1873, the Deseret News noted Young saying “How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which I revealed to them, and which God revealed to me—namely that Adam is our Father and God...).

He had been teaching Adam worship since the early 1850s: “Now, if it should happen that we have to pay TRIBUTE to Father Adam, what a humiliating circumstance it would be! Just wait till you pass Joseph Smith, and after Joseph lets you pass him, you will find Peter...” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 331, 1857)

Our Father Adam is the man who stands at the gate and holds the keys of everlasting life and salvation to all his children who have or who ever will come upon the earth. I have been found fault with by the ministers of religion because I have said that they were ignoratn. But I could not find any man on the earth who could tell me this, although it is one of the simplest things in the world, until I met and talked with Joseph Smith. (Brigham Young, Deseret News, June 8, 1873)

Now that was Brigham Young later in life...26 years AFTER he arrived in Utah. From the get-go of the mass-volumed “Journal of Discourses” — from vol. 1 in the early 1850s — Brigham Young was teaching that Adam “is our Father and our God, and the ONLY God with whom we have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later.” (vol. 1, JoD, p. 50)

[reaganaut]

Unfortunately, there are those who mistake the voice of Joseph Smith as their “Master’s Voice”.

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Worth a repost. The LDS confuse Christ and Smith.

[reaganaut]

I never knew of Joseph Smith so there goes that theory of yours!

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BUT you DID know Smith’s words/teachings (through the Book of Mormon) so Grey’s theory stands.

[Tennessee Nana]

LOL

Welcome to these threads...

Sounds like you believe like the Christians in these threads...

Jesus is God...

The Trinity consists of Three Persons...

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit...

The Holy Three-in-One...

:)

[Tennessee Nana]

Oh noez...

Someone cares...

[svcw]

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