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To: Paved Paradise
Yet, Mark, you seem to think when I talk about apples from apple trees that I expect people to be Saints ala Mother Theresa or the many who devote their lives to the mission field, etc. Not my point at all.

No, that's not it.

The point is that the same teachings that regrettably produce an Andrew Cuomo or Nancy Pelosi also produce great saints. Sometimes, as the case with Bl. Charles de Foucauld, they experience a tremendous conversion process (that's why I suggested you look him up...)

Please think about this. We are all sinners in need of a savior.

Undoubtedly. The theory of being able to save oneself was condemned as a heresy back in the 400s (it's called Pelagianism). Nothing has changed that. We are all saved by the grace of God.

What I want you to do is show me how you are going to make apple pie from the tree that has just produced a bunch of pears (and rotten pears, to boot).

Again, as I said above, the same "tree" that has produced rotten pears has also produced tremendous fruit, to use your illustration. Perhaps the individuals who turned out rotten were not as fully grafted into that tree as they could have been.

143 posted on 08/17/2011 4:03:04 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley

ha ha, oh Mark. You are too much. I really enjoy talking with you, dear Brother.


144 posted on 08/17/2011 12:25:02 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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