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To: Biggirl; johngrace
Plus, this is also a reminder to our Protestant brothers and sisters that when it comes to really bad demonic infestations/possesions, call in the big guns, a Roman Catholic priest who is trained to be able to do that! In other words, simply praying for delieverence is not enough!

"Call in the big guns" indeed. According to this article, it looks like we have one of the 17 official Church exorcists right here in Chicago. Maybe he can work on ... well, er, never mind ...

Have you ever read about Bobby Jindal's involvement in an exorcism? Although a Catholic priest was not in attendance and Jindal was quite young, but still concerned about that issue, I wonder how strong his faith is currently, because we sure could use someone of the following mindset to help our battle today ...
I could not pray to God. I tried as hard as I could, but I couldn't. Out of desperation, I called upon the saints to articulate my prayers and rescue me from this living nightmare. Though I had never prayed with the saints before, I began to understand the Church's teaching of the unity within the One Body. I pleaded with the saints in Heaven to offer God the prayers I was unable to formulate.

Even I felt confident enough to approach God once again; Susan's lunge for the door awakened and invigorated me. Strangely, I found myself repeating the Hail Mary until it became a chant. Being a recent convert to Catholicism, I had yet to accept the Catholic doctrines concerning Mary and considered any form of Marian devotion to be idolatry. Though I had never before prayed a Hail Mary in my life, I suddenly found myself incapable of any other form of prayer. Somehow, Mary's intercessions allowed me to find peace during that long night; I knew that I had survived the worst and that I would exit with my faith intact. It terrified me to recall how close I came to turning away from Christ out of fear.

I left that classroom with a powerful belief in Mary's intercessions and with many questions about spiritual warfare; I also learned a lasting lesson in humility and the limits of human understanding. Was the purpose of that night served when so many individuals were inducted into the Church? Did I witness spiritual warfare? I do not have the answers, but I do believe in the reality of spirits, angels, and other related phenomena that I can neither touch nor see. -- Physical Dimensions of Spiritual Warfare, December 1994, By Bobby Jindal/New Oxford Review

18 posted on 05/05/2010 8:52:02 AM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy

I had no idea Bobby Jindal had an experience like that. The book sounds very interesting.


21 posted on 05/05/2010 9:26:30 AM PDT by Judith Anne
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To: mlizzy

To be fair I do not think thats an absolute rule. Maybe more effective for that moment. The Vatican exorcist has acknowledge that Some independent church people have helped the possessed. Smith Wigglesworth ,Walter Martin and others have exorcised victims from the enemy too. I have read many accounts of Protestant or Catholic exorcisms. Even Martin Luther. The common theme that all have are in the 1 JOHN 4 requirement- Christ came as a human{ In The Flesh}. A pure spirit can not say he was in the flesh as Divinity ,our Lord will not allow it. Because Of this verse“ and of judgment, Because the PRINCE of this WORLD has already been Judged” (Jn 16: 7-11). You and I are not judged this side of eternity until we die. We can maybe waver because we are not pure spirit yet and may God guide us to the Hour of our death. I have encountered a friend in the occult who thought she was a christian but could not declare 1 John 4. Very troubling. I truly believe this is how the Vatican declares a vision is real. Especially When Our Lady Says the Apostles Creed or Gloria in full or like because a pure spirit with God can only say it. There are some so called Mary visions that do not declare it. I believe the Vatican keeps this a secret in their process when questioning the witnesses, I am not sure of course but its in scripture never the less. But for the reason that we have not been judged the witness to the vision can lie about what he witnessed. If he does not mention about that requirement it should be highly suspect in my opinion. But I hope this gives you insight.


24 posted on 05/05/2010 10:01:05 AM PDT by johngrace
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