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To: Mad Dawg; Quix; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; boatbums
There are PLENTY of interpretations of Mary's words to the servants who drew the water made wine. To seize upon one and to use it as a cheap attempt to score rhetorical points is maybe something that impresses lurkers.

Any interpretations beyond the fact that she was just ordering the servants to do something is reading way more into it than the context warrants.

It occurred to me one day that since weddings in those days were family affairs, Jesus was most probably at a relative's wedding. Perhaps Mary just came to Him with this problem because it was her family's responsibility to host the wedding, just like today it's the bride's family's responsibility to host the wedding. He did that one miracle, which I'm not positive in the least that Mary had any idea He would do, and moved on from there.

Making a whole doctrine of how Jesus cannot refuse His Mother's requests out of that one incident is ludicrous. There is no teaching by any writer of the NT so support that, as I would expect if it were really a spiritual truth.

From there He went on as far as to almost snub His mother, as is recorded in THREE of the Gospels when His family came looking for Him.

The Catholic Church simply cannot justify its Mary doctrines and teachings from Scripture.

Anybody's all should be given to Christ and Christ alone. Not Mary. Not the saints. Not the pope. Not the church.

When any of those are added to the mix, one is not giving one's all to Christ. One's heart is divided. If Christ is not first in one's life, Christ is not Lord of one's life.

792 posted on 05/02/2010 3:33:29 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Making a whole doctrine of how Jesus cannot refuse His Mother's requests out of that one incident is ludicrous. There is no teaching by any writer of the NT so support that, as I would expect if it were really a spiritual truth.

Of course, if one begins with the supposition that all spiritual truths are in the Bible, then in a way the conversation is over before it starts.

By the way, If anyone suggests that Jesus is obliged to obey Mary's requests to the extent of not doing what he wills to do, I repudiate the teaching. While some foolish priests and catechists may make Mary sound like she has some power over God, merely to say that is to show its silliness. Mary's will, we hold, is united with that of her Son and of the Father.

This is an example of what I consider to be her eschatological side. We are to pray, "Thy will be done," which, as Augustine wrote to Proba, is an offering of our will to God. ("Not my will," is implied when I say to Him, "Thy will be done.") Mary declared herself God's handmaid (while praying to an angel.) So she was offering herself, including her will, to God.

Any interpretations beyond the fact that she was just ordering the servants to do something is reading way more into it than the context warrants.

So you are disagreeing with 1000 silverlings in his contention that she is telling US to do whatever Jesus tells us (though that would be a very good thing to say -- it's just that she is not saying it to US, according to you.)

812 posted on 05/02/2010 4:13:53 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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