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To: johngrace
So, is the Church wrong?

Yes. Horribly so.

Should we call priests “Father”?

No. In fact, y'all shouldn't even have priests.

Be imitators of him? But he calls himself Father Paul!

He did not call himself "Father Paul." He said he had fathered spiritual offspring.

His son? Is this just Saint Paul being difficult to understand? [...] Seems pretty clear he is referring to himself as a FATHER.

He certainly is alluding to a spiritual progeny, but that is a very far cry from accepting an honorary title which Christ Himself spoke against.

In fact, the whole of 1 Cor 4 speaks against what you have proposed, and Paul states exactly that what he is speaking of about himself is figurative:

1Co 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

What he is speaking of does hearken back to Jesus words in Matt 23... He (Paul) says TO imitate himself because he does walk the walk (1 Cor 4:10-16), as opposed to the Pharisees in Matt 23:3-8.

But in that, he is showing himself to be the polar opposite of those Pharisees, and would certainly oppose being called "Rabbi" or "Father," as Matt 23 declares unquestionably.

To prove your point, you would have to find someone actually calling him "Father Paul," which you will not be able to do, as it is against the very words of Christ.

It is foolhardy to try to bend a figurative treatise against the declared word of Christ.

264 posted on 04/30/2010 6:25:06 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1

Incredibly, wonderfully put.


285 posted on 04/30/2010 7:06:11 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: roamer_1
JG: "Should we call priests “Father”?"

roamer: "No. In fact, y'all shouldn't even have priests."

You are very correct - priests are not a part of the offices of Christian churches. Romeans (sic) have changed the meaning of "presbyteros" to mean a "priest" instead of its true meaning of an Elder/Bishop.

roamer: "In fact, the whole of 1 Cor 4 speaks against what you have proposed, and Paul states exactly that what he is speaking of about himself is figurative..."

Peter tells us that Paul wrote some thing that are hard to understand which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other scriptures, to their own destruction (II Peter 3:15-16).

roamer: "It is foolhardy to try to bend a figurative treatise against the declared word of Christ."

Excellent observation!

430 posted on 05/01/2010 6:27:33 AM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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