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To: Mad Dawg
"Okay, yes, only SOME sins qualify for being purged in purgatory. The other sins require an "eternal punishment" from which there is no release. Have I got it right according to your thinking process now?"

No.

Okay, again. I admit what you are saying is taught by the RCC. Seems to me you want to take my statements and apply them to all the little intricate doctrines/teachings concerning sin and punishments in this life and the time between death and resurrection. If I would have realized that you wanted my take on that I would have went into it, but seeing as how nothing you said in the first few posts indicated it - that is until you posted from the catechism a short part on the two conceptions of sins punishments, which I admit I had never contemplated you were looking for. It does seem that the RCC teaches "eternal punishment" can't be purged, yet in other teachings say that it can be purged (although by God only) - very confusing to many individual, although I can understand the distinction your trying to make.

Purgatory and indulgences cannot and do not mitigate or remove the eternal punishment. That is removed only by God's loving grace. God's loving grace is the necessary precursor, the admission ticket, to purgatory. That forgiveness cannot be worked for, or "purchased"or any such thing. It is entirely gratuitous.

Hmmm....while I don't agree with what the church teaches here, much less in the whole concept of "purgatory" and the division of sin into catagories along with means of purgation through indulgences of any kind, I do have to agree that your church does teach it, although not all that many in the pews will ever gain an understanding of it for its complexity. I do understand completely what the RCC teaches, and do not misunderstand it at all, as some would assert blindly. I simply do not accept all these philosophical ideas put forth to back up the concept of purgatorial doctines concerning sin.

Now that we have exhausted the topic, what next?

2,355 posted on 05/08/2010 11:52:37 AM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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To: Ken4TA
What started our interchange was my trying to deal with somebody who said that indulgences, Purgatory, etc. meant that forgiveness could be purchased.

You intruded yourself into the conversation to tell me that I was wrong about what the Catholic Church teaches. The subject on which you corrected me was what the Church teaches.

Now you are saying that you didn't know that we were talking about what the Church teaches?

Except THEN you say
I do understand completely what the RCC teaches, and do not misunderstand it at all, as some would assert blindly.

I cannot believe this because the first time you said it, as you were busying yourself telling me you understood it better than I, you expressed in incorrectly, and now you treat the most basic aspect of the thing,the distinction between eternal and temporal punishment as something recondite and intricate.

This is just crazy.

2,371 posted on 05/08/2010 7:41:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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