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To: Ken4TA
I quit this thread a couple days ago, but since you just discovered it I will respond.

From many RC's on FR one can see that they condemn a great number of Catholics as CINO.

A few dozen politicians really doesn't change the configuration of a group of over a billion.

And surveys and polls show us that far more Catholics don't really know what the church teaches than do

Which surveys are those?

IMHO, the actual numbers of Catholics in the world number no more than 40% of what is claimed

But that is your OPINION.

I could be off a few percentage points, but the statistics seem to prove the point I'm making.

What statistics are these?

But, even if you are right, that would still leave over 400 million devout Catholics and this would still be by far the largest group of devout Christians in the world.

I'm one of them, as are quite a few non-catholics on FR who were Catholics at one time and left because they knew what the RCC teaches.

People leaving the Church because the truth makes them uncomfortable is nothing new:

65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that would betray him.

66 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father. 67 After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.
-- John 6:65-67

2,230 posted on 05/07/2010 7:26:51 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Ken4TA
From many RC's on FR one can see that they condemn a great number of Catholics as CINO.

He's right on that one. I've seen it particularly on the abortion threads. And considering the way a huge majority of Catholics vote come election time......

Besides, you know what church attendance is like and what happens to it at Christmas and Easter.

I remember when communion went from being given at the altar rail to standing in lines going up to the altar. It happened in between the holidays and had been in effect for a couple months at least.

Christmas (or Easter, I don't recall which holiday it was) rolled around and HALF the people going up for communion, looking all pious and smug, went to the altar rail for communion. You just KNEW right then who the holiday attenders were. The thing that amazed me was the huge number of people who just demonstrated that they hadn't been to church for MONTHS.

Another thing is, my brothers and sisters are also baptized Catholics as I am, and not one of them attends any Catholic church, if they go.

So if the church is counting all us, the numbers are falsely inflated. And I don't believe that we are all that unusual.

2,255 posted on 05/07/2010 11:13:46 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
People leaving the Church because the truth makes them uncomfortable is nothing new:

65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that would betray him.

66 And he said: Therefore did I say to you, that no man can come to me, unless it be given him by my Father. 67 After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him.

Yep, and I'm sure many have quoted those same posts to RC members. If that's the best verses you can access, well, search some more - maybe there's one between the lines that would be more in context to what your trying to insinuate! - John 6:65-67.

2,296 posted on 05/07/2010 3:46:52 PM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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