[boatbums]

Interesting. We wrote it; we chose it; we translated it; we bring to the heretic, the apostate and the heathen.

Well...re: the New Testament....if you are willing to include the entire, complete, TRUE body of Christ - as ALL who trust in Jesus Christ as savior in that we...I will agree. If you want to imply that the Catholic Church under the Bishop of Rome - or Roman Catholic Church for us less sensitive - is the "we", you already know that is not really a true statement of fact.

[Quix]

INDEED.

THX FOR THE FREEPMAIL BTW.

Slow getting to it all.

[Ken4TA]

From who?: Interesting. We wrote it; we chose it; we translated it; we bring to the heretic, the apostate and the heathen.

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Well...re: the New Testament....if you are willing to include the entire, complete, TRUE body of Christ - as ALL who trust in Jesus Christ as savior in that we...I will agree. If you want to imply that the Catholic Church under the Bishop of Rome - or Roman Catholic Church for us less sensitive - is the "we", you already know that is not really a true statement of fact.

I agree, if the "we" is the Catholic church, that first statement at the top is definitely false.

[MarkBsnr]

If you want to imply that the Catholic Church under the Bishop of Rome - or Roman Catholic Church for us less sensitive - is the "we", you already know that is not really a true statement of fact.

Ignatius of Antioch wrote the first mention that we know of, but he wrote it as if Catholic Church was in common usage. The Martyrdom of Polycarp speaks of the whole Catholic Church through the world. We use that term advisedly. I would ask you to find an entity called the Roman Catholic Church - a real name of a real entity - such as the Church of England, or ELCA, or PCUSA - or its, for instance, website. The real mention of 'Roman' really comes back to the Diocese of Rome, of which the Bishop of Rome is the leader of the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.