[Mad Dawg]

Kinda puts a different spin on the analogy? :)

I think if we study the problem any more enthusiastically the room will be spinning.

I THINK I was getting called to account for the notion of Mary as dispenser of Grace because she is the, ahem, dispenser of Jesus [see note below], with a suggestion or, as Art Carney would say, incineration that that must make Mary greater than IHS. So, therefore the question about the ranking of containers and things contained.

[Note: No, I am NOT going to try calling the Ol' Mizris the 'dispenser' of our child.]

[Forest Keeper]

I THINK I was getting called to account for the notion of Mary as dispenser of Grace because she is the, ahem, dispenser of Jesus [see note below], with a suggestion or, as Art Carney would say, incineration that that must make Mary greater than IHS. So, therefore the question about the ranking of containers and things contained.

Yes, I have been trying to follow the conversation. It looks like the main difference is whether there should/could/would be any entity/conduit in between Christ and the ultimate recipient when it comes to grace. Further, if we even supposed Mary as such an entity/conduit then how is it exactly that she administers that role, i.e. what powers, rights of refusal, or other options would it be said that she has when it comes to the dispensing? It seems clear that the more claimed the less we like it. :)