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To: metmom
Actually, the RCC teaches that Mary didn’t die but was what they call *assumed* up into heaven; like the Ascension but

was taken up unlike Jesus who took Himself up.

Good. The two additions I would make are (1) that it is not de fide (so I understand) to think she did not die. She could have been assumed after dying; (2)The assumption is, I think, best understood (whether or not one agrees with the dogma) in eschatological terms. That is, she is and enjoys what all the blessed will be and enjoy 'on that day.'

1,895 posted on 05/04/2010 6:15:48 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Resurrexit* sicut dixit. Alleluia)
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To: Mad Dawg; metmom; count-your-change; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; 1000 silverlings; Quix; blue-duncan; ...
(2)The assumption is, I think, best understood (whether or not one agrees with the dogma) in eschatological terms. That is, she is and enjoys what all the blessed will be and enjoy 'on that day.'

Wow. Is that ever dodging the question.

The RC doctrine of the assumption says Mary rose into heaven bodily, in time and space and reality (based on nothing in the Bible but only upon some men's desires to feminize the church.)

Now you are telling us this doctrine, however anti-Scriptural, can be seen as simply a pretty Coming Attraction of future events and so what harm does it do to believe this supposition, however allegorical or even fictitious?

Is this how RC apologists explain the doctrine to non-RCs; easing them in, so to speak? Because I sure don't recall hearing RCs put forth the assumption as mere conjecture and not actual, historical fact.

It's like saying "never mind this loony doctrine we're completely fabricating which contradicts the word of God; just go with it because we think the idea of it is really nice and sweetly-scented and maybe some disgruntled Protestants will buy it."

Rome builds many of its beliefs out of thin air and justifies them by saying men need to breath, so inhale. Yet a belief in the bodily assumption of Mary completely undermines the Biblical truth that God alone is worthy of our prayers, our thoughts, our faith, our following and "our all."

And given the fact the assumption of Mary was only deemed official RC doctrine in 1950, it would seem this belief is pretty recent "eschatology."

MARIOLOGY

The Holy Father's Prayer for the Marian Year," John Paul II asks Mary to do what only God can do -- comfort, guide, strengthen, and protect "the whole of humanity ..." His prayer ends: "Sustain us, O Virgin Mary, on our journey of faith and obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation."

Idolatry.

Do Roman Catholics ever read the Bible?

"Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee" -- Psalm 55:22


"And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." -- John 1:16-17

So much for "infallible in matters of religion." A child could get this more right than this bishop of Rome.

2,005 posted on 05/05/2010 9:42:58 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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