I don't meanthispersonally about you, but when I am called a liar, either straight out or by implication, and when someone persists in lying about my Church, I am not about shaking hands afterwards.
I don't mind debating (though I don't much like it). I despise cheaters. I know the Forum rules. I just don't think the alleged debate here is productive.Weought to be about seeking the Truth. When winning an exchange is more important that finding the truth, idolatry has triumphed and Nike has displaced Him who called Himself the Truth.
>>I don’t meanthispersonally about you, but when I am called a liar, either straight out or by implication, and when someone persists in lying about my Church, I am not about shaking hands afterwards.
I don’t mind debating (though I don’t much like it). I despise cheaters. I know the Forum rules. I just don’t think the alleged debate here is productive.Weought to be about seeking the Truth. When winning an exchange is more important that finding the truth, idolatry has triumphed and Nike has displaced Him who called Himself the Truth. <<
I’m adding an Amen here.
3/4 of my family is not Catholic. Yet I have never seen such nasty, ego filled words against me.
I don’t want to shake hands, but I will be praying for the people who slam us for all I’ve got. Because the shock and awe when they hit the pearly gates is going to be pretty tough on them.
Ever see The Simpson’s Catholic Heaven?
Sadly, that post is a bit mystifyingly sad and troubling to me.
IIRC, you have noted to me a number of times points which have indicated to me that you were well aware of the wide diversity of beliefs and practices within the Vatican Umbrella.
As you know, Pentecostalism/Charismania ranges all the way from the snake-handlers to the Roman Catholic retreat center in Pecos, NM.
One can say a LOT of things about Pentecostalism and probably in some group or another it might well likely be true.
And, I routinely get a photo of the snake handlers whenever an RC is unwilling or unable to respond meaningfully to the content of my post and he compulsively slips into yet again, the KILL THE MESSENGER MODE so habitually typical of some of the rabid clique types hereon.
The same is true of the Vatican system.
There’s an enormously wide diversity of formal and informal beliefs, rituals, practices under the Vatican umbrella. THAT’S JUST A FACT.
Many Prottys hereon WITH ABUNDANT JUSTIFICATION HEREON ALONE—AS WELL AS WITHIN THE WEALTH OF OUR NON-FR EXPERIENCES AND OBSERVATIONS,
have a HOST of reasons to assert what we do about Roman Catholic formal AND informal beliefs and practices.
SOME of us believe that a horrific percentage of the formal and informal beliefs are GROSSLY UNBIBLICAL.
Certainly, SOME of us believe that a very horrific percentage of all Roman Catholics et al subscribe to one or more of the outrageous excesses/heresies.
Does that really matter?
If 5% do, isn’t that horrific enough?
I just don't think the alleged debate here is productive.We ought to be about seeking the Truth. When winning an exchange is more important that finding the truth, idolatry has triumphed...
Exactly right.
As a Christian I believe we never know when God will open minds and hearts to the gospel ..so presenting the gospel and pointing out error may well be productive but at least it is obedience to the command to present the gospel .
When someone can present the proof that a certain thing is believed then it is hard to call them liars..you may not like what they say, you may disagree with what they say but that does not mean it is not true.
I have to agree with metmon when she said that Catholics will say “we do not believe this or that.”.but never say where they disagree.
When Quix posts a list of Marys titles and there is silence we must assume that they are Marys titles