Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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What are people going to do? Take their papers with them when they die to show God that the church said that their sins were forgiven?
I John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
Forgiveness is free for the asking, as attested by God in Scripture. We don't need priests. We don't need penance. And we don't need indulgences.
Yes.
Except for the complicating factor that it does.
Or if it is encouraged, it is within a Catholic setting and under the supervision of a priest.
Those of us who have been raised Catholic Do know better. We know what the Catholic church teaches and don't have any problem telling the truth about it.
Oh, you noticed! ;-D
Once was enough for Jonas.
'Nuff said.
Ask yourself why God used Saints like Athansius and Jerome to be involved in NT Canon-They are completely Catholic and you ought to thank God for them and the Council of Nicea as well
Protestants don’t think that they can save anybody. Only that Jesus can.
We are called to be Saints.When is your canonization ceremony?
God used men.
The Roman Catholic church exalted them and claimed them and hence, they are completely Catholic.
How convenient.
On that one I can amen :)
I was made a saint on the day that Christ paid the price of my sins, thus justifying me.
Cannonization is a meaningless idolatrous, humanist ceremony conducted by upper echelon Nicolaitanos.
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Of course, if one begins with the supposition that all spiritual truths are in the Bible, then in a way the conversation is over before it starts.
By the way, If anyone suggests that Jesus is obliged to obey Mary's requests to the extent of not doing what he wills to do, I repudiate the teaching. While some foolish priests and catechists may make Mary sound like she has some power over God, merely to say that is to show its silliness. Mary's will, we hold, is united with that of her Son and of the Father.
This is an example of what I consider to be her eschatological side. We are to pray, "Thy will be done," which, as Augustine wrote to Proba, is an offering of our will to God. ("Not my will," is implied when I say to Him, "Thy will be done.") Mary declared herself God's handmaid (while praying to an angel.) So she was offering herself, including her will, to God.
Any interpretations beyond the fact that she was just ordering the servants to do something is reading way more into it than the context warrants.
So you are disagreeing with 1000 silverlings in his contention that she is telling US to do whatever Jesus tells us (though that would be a very good thing to say -- it's just that she is not saying it to US, according to you.)
Jerome did not agree with the apocrypha books being inspired...so is he still “completely Catholic?”
It's called the Fatima prayer. The Blessed Virgin Mary gave it to the three children.
“O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of Thy Mercy.”
He did that once and for all, 2000 years ago.
He needs not do it again, as the first time was sufficient.
What we need to pray is thanks for doing it.
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Where does scripture give the right to name saints ?
According to scripture all believers are saints.. Yes from now on call me St Rnmomof7 .. LOL
I’m sorry if my reasoning and argumentum ad consequentiam was not entirely clear to you, what about it seems to present such difficulty?
Amen
Jesus doesn’t even get a halo in that one...Only Mary gets the halo...
Shoot and move.
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