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Give Your All To . . . ? . . . . [A Rel Forum Research thread--Open]
Bible, Vultus Christi, Quix's noggin ^ | 28 APR 2010; 30 APR 2010 | Jesus, Mark Kirby & Quix

Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix

GIVE IT ALL TO . . . ? . . . .

--A Research Thread--

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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this:

Our Father in heaven,
may your name be kept holy.
10 May your Kingdom come soon.
May your will be done on earth,
as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today the food we need,[a]
12 and forgive us our sins,
as we have forgiven those who sin against us.
13 And don’t let us yield to temptation,[b]
but rescue us from the evil one.[c]

--New Living Translation

7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.]

8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9Pray, therefore, like this:

Our Father Who is in heaven, hallowed (kept holy) be Your name.
10Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us this day our daily bread.
12And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven ([e]left, remitted, and let go of the debts, and have [f]given up resentment against) our debtors.
13And lead (bring) us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [g]reckless and willful sins, [h]leaving them, letting them go, and [i]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses.

--Amplified

Pray with Simplicity

5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat?

6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.

7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,
Reveal who you are.
Set the world right;
Do what's best— as above, so below.
Keep us alive with three square meals.
Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.
Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.
You're in charge!
You can do anything you want!
You're ablaze in beauty!
Yes. Yes. Yes.

14-15"In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can't get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God's part.

16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well.
--THE MESSAGE

Mark Kirby:

O Mother of Good Counsel,
Mother of Perpetual Help,
I turn with confidence to thy maternal Heart,
and I renew my total and irrevocable consecration to thee.

I am all thine, Most Holy Mary,
and all that I have is thine.
I give thee my past with its burdens.
I give thee this present moment with its anxieties and fears.
I give thee my future and all that it holds.

There is no part of my life that is not open to thee,
no place so secret, or so darkened by sin
that thy presence and thy influence
are not wholly and ardently desired there.

I want to be completely transparent with thee,
utterly simple, guileless, and childlike.
Thou knowest, O Mother,
all my preoccupations,
all my intentions,
and all those recommended to my prayer.
Take them, I beseech thee, to thy Immaculate Heart
and, as my Advocate, my all-powerful intercessor, and my Mediatrix,
present them to thy Son.
Seeing them presented by thee
and held in thy maternal Heart,
there is nothing that He will not do
to give to each intention the one response
worthy of the infinite mercy and love of His Sacred Heart.

Praying in this way, I can be at rest,
for thou art my Mother,
and all that I entrust to thee will be,
I am sure,
received, and considered, and cared for
with a Mother's love.
Amen.

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TOPICS: Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholicbashing; exclusivity; focus; holiness; marybashing; worship
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To: 1000 silverlings; wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Quix; wmfights
It is a vain belief of man who must needs worship a mother goddess.

It sure does make a church acceptable to a pagan Roman Empire with it's multiple gods and goddesses. Just as praying to saints who "can hear your prayers and help you" is really just a step below all the minor gods and goddesses that pagans worshiped. It's a clever adaptation to a sometimes very hostile environment, but it is wrong and really is the product of a lack of faith.

201 posted on 04/30/2010 5:05:01 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Outership

No, “Romeians “ did not say that.

Please do not create a false dilemma.

There was no “they”. Why are you framing this as a sweeping generalization?

Or should I perceive that you should have noted that your post was sarcasm?


202 posted on 04/30/2010 5:05:10 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: wagglebee

Jesus never called on “tradition”, in fact, He spoke against it. Jesus appealed to the Torah and the Prophets when He said, “It is written”.


203 posted on 04/30/2010 5:05:35 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: metmom
I think much of the discussion is missing the obvious question of whether being related to Jesus was of great importance to him.
How did Jesus react when Mary and his brothers were unable to get through the crowd to be near him?

Luke 8:19-21: “Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press.

And it was told him by certain which said Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee.

And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.”

There is the relationship Jesus said was of importance to him.

204 posted on 04/30/2010 5:06:18 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom

Now what about ‘honor thy father and thy mother’? Don’t you think He kept that one too?


205 posted on 04/30/2010 5:06:26 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: wagglebee
So... she's not "the Queen of Heaven"?
206 posted on 04/30/2010 5:06:40 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Running On Empty

How about Romulans?


207 posted on 04/30/2010 5:07:55 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: mlizzy

“”There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church, which is of course, quite a different thing” —Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen.”

Since Mr. Sheen isn’t here, perhaps you can now tell us who here “hate”’s the organization he is referring to. If you cannot, then please explain how this quote is relevant here.

After that, please feel free to state where anyone here on this thread, that you disagree with, is actually wrong on any Biblical issue discussed here. If you can’t then please just admit to yourself and the thread this fact and move on.


208 posted on 04/30/2010 5:08:33 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: mlizzy

Wow. Look how far down in that process one would have to go to get to Christ. It is even arguable if He is in that process at all.

Sounds like a lot of prideful raising up of sin-filled fallen people to me.

Also, please post the Bible verses that substantiate this statement: “the Most Holy Eucharist which IS Christ”


209 posted on 04/30/2010 5:12:01 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Quix; metmom

Jesus Himself invented sola scriptura when He proclaimed, “It is written”. It was His appeal to written scripture which flummoxed the authorities of the day, just as it does now.


210 posted on 04/30/2010 5:12:08 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: johngrace

What’s that got to do with the post you responded to?


211 posted on 04/30/2010 5:12:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: count-your-change

Once Christ started His ministry, His mother had no influence on what He was doing. She no longer had a place of pre-eminence in His life, as rightly should be for a grown man.


212 posted on 04/30/2010 5:14:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

An honest Biblical position can not be derived from what the Bible *doesn’t* say.

The Bible doesn’t say that Mary didn’t have three eyes, so is it a valid theory to assume she did have three eyes?


213 posted on 04/30/2010 5:15:43 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: Outership
PhotobucketJesus Loves His mother, and has allowed her on many occasion to "visit." That some wish to ignore these facts ... well, should they stop calling themselves Christians, as Ignorant would suffice?
“Always keep close to Our Heavenly Mother, because She is the sea that must be crossed, in order to reach the shores of eternal splendor, in the Kingdom of Dawn” --St. Padre Pio, stigmatist

214 posted on 04/30/2010 5:18:11 PM PDT by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: 1000 silverlings; wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Quix; metmom
Jesus Himself invented sola scriptura when He proclaimed, “It is written”. It was His appeal to written scripture which flummoxed the authorities of the day, just as it does now.

Our early Christian ancestors took this so seriously that forged books such as "the Protoevangelium of James" were quickly exposed as fakes. Christians did this even if what those Books had written in them was really popular at the time. The supremacy of Scripture was paramount.

215 posted on 04/30/2010 5:18:38 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: metmom

What’s the difference you ignored the words on all the posts anyway. Now you question me? Look you want to believe what you believe thats okay but Catholics have a good argument for what they believe you may not agree thats your right.


216 posted on 04/30/2010 5:19:18 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: 1000 silverlings

Christ strongly condemned traditions of men which were elevated to the level of Scripture or beyond.

He was the one who set the example of going right back to Scripture.

Matthew 23 is a SCATHING indictment of the Pharisees, the religious leaders of the day.

Matthew 23

1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2”The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5”Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them ‘Rabbi.’

8”But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.


217 posted on 04/30/2010 5:19:23 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mlizzy; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Quix

Sorry, Jesus said no more signs, other than the Resurrection, will be given. whatever Marian apparitions are, they are not from God.


218 posted on 04/30/2010 5:20:07 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wmfights

Not entered into canon DOES NOT mean it was fake.


219 posted on 04/30/2010 5:20:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Quix

By pretending a link to Scripture they attempt to lend themselves credibility. Under this mantle they can then promote their idolatry and blasphemy.

That kind of setup has some pretty obvious fingerprints.


220 posted on 04/30/2010 5:20:46 PM PDT by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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