Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
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7 “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. 8 Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him! 9 Pray like this: Our Father in heaven, --New Living Translation 7And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking. [I Kings 18:25-29.] 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him. 9Pray, therefore, like this: 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [j]reckless and willful sins, [k]leaving them, letting them go, and [l]giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. --Amplified Pray with Simplicity 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6"Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace. 7-13"The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They're full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don't fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this: 16-18"When you practice some appetite-denying discipline to better concentrate on God, don't make a production out of it. It might turn you into a small-time celebrity but it won't make you a saint. If you 'go into training' inwardly, act normal outwardly. Shampoo and comb your hair, brush your teeth, wash your face. God doesn't require attention-getting devices. He won't overlook what you are doing; he'll reward you well. |
Mark Kirby: O Mother of Good Counsel, I am all thine, Most Holy Mary, There is no part of my life that is not open to thee, I want to be completely transparent with thee, Praying in this way, I can be at rest, |
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Where? since ‘thee’ is the objective case of the singular ‘thou’?
Do you think Christ will forgive everyones sin?
Matthew 5:1
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
In fact it looks suspiciously like Jesus taught the disciples, who then went out among the multitude for afterwards we have the disciples handing out the "never-ending bread" whatever that may be, hint, hint
Despite what the Kumbaya crowd tells you, our Lord DID understand the need for hierarchy within the Church.
There were twelve main Disciples, not thousands. And even of those twelve, only three witnessed the Transfiguration.
But hey, have a great time with the "church of the we interpret the Bible to fit your beliefs". You know the ones that decided they didn't like the "rules" about no married clergy, so the changed it. Then they didn't like the rules about no women in the clergy, so they changed it. Then they decided that it was wrong that non-celibate homosexuals should be excluded from the clergy, so they changed that. There new "rule" they don't like is the one about marriage being between a man and a woman, but thanks to YOPIOS they are changing that one too.
He made it very clear that there was only one unforgivable sin and theologians have debated ever since what exactly constitutes blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
We never changed our Savior from Christ to Mary
Nor did we. You see, we can debate this all we want, but the FACT still remains that everything I listed in my post is something that Protestants have actually DONE.
this thread has suggested otherwise
besides most of us don’t attend churches with any of that going on
wag that is another non answer. I asked if God WILL forgive everyones sins (ok EXCEPT the unforgivable sin) ..Will He?
there’s the advantage to having an independent church. If some church wants to profane itself, we are free to go someplace else. You guys are stuck with all your baggage
So how many apostles are there now Wag?
But hey, have a great time with the "church of the we interpret the Bible to fit your beliefs".
Thats what the reformation was about,the additions to the bible by the Catholic church
You know the ones that decided they didn't like the "rules" about no married clergy, so the changed it.
Where is that in the bible? the "pope Peter "was married , and actually there is no role of Priest in the NT church..that was added by the Catholic church.. there was no rule about deacons or elders not marrying
Then they didn't like the rules about no women in the clergy, so they changed it.
Not churches that came from the reformation.. we still do not have woman elders or deacons..
Then they decided that it was wrong that non-celibate homosexuals should be excluded from the clergy,
The churches that adhere to reformation doctrine would agree that gays should no the ordained
There new "rule" they don't like is the one about marriage being between a man and a woman, but thanks to YOPIOS they are changing that one too.
Not reformed churches ...
You know people that live in glass houses should not throw stones.. The number of gays ordained by Rome should be an embarrassment ..1/2 the priests I see are swishers Then there are the number that left to get married.. and of course the pedophiles that say mass on a daily basis ..
To find fault with Protestants on the above grounds is dishonest.. Catholic church has lots of rules..but very few really follow them.. they are double minded and every one looks the other way and pretends the church has moral superiority
Exactly
Refusing to accept His leading to repentance and faith..
That is pretty much my take on it as well, but I’ve heard some pretty bizarre theories about it.
Yes, non-Catholics have been making this outrageous suggestion for some time. That doesn't make it true.
I’ve lost count of how many times the non-Catholics on here presume to speak for all Protestants, it goes both ways and is the logical outcome of YOPIOS.
You're joking right? Are you telling me there are no Presbyterian women clergy? What about Lutheran, Anglican, Methodist.
The churches that adhere to reformation doctrine would agree that gays should no the ordained
Best I can tell the "reformation doctrine" is a very fluid concept because nearly all Protestant denominations do.
You know people that live in glass houses should not throw stones.. The number of gays ordained by Rome should be an embarrassment ..1/2 the priests I see are swishers Then there are the number that left to get married.. and of course the pedophiles that say mass on a daily basis ..
Church policy WAS to ordain homosexuals who took vows of celibacy, that has changed. I agree they should have NEVER taken homosexuals.
Protestants, on the other hand, ordain NON-CELIBATE homosexuals and even elevate them to the level of bishop.
To find fault with Protestants on the above grounds is dishonest.. Catholic church has lots of rules..but very few really follow them..
I don't dispute that, I'm talking about Protestants actually CHANGING the rules to fit a secular agenda.
ELC synod is lost to liberal post modern thought.. the other synods do not ordain women or gays, the PCUSA has been apostate for many years..they are basically universalist ..they left the reformation doctrine long ago, same with Anglicans, they do not follow reformation doctrine ...methodists never were a reformation faith .poor John Wesley is turning over in his grave.
The sola scriptura church still stands on the word of God ..
Best I can tell the "reformation doctrine" is a very fluid concept because nearly all Protestant denominations do
Not really , reform churches are Calvinist ..and they hold the 5 solas
Church policy WAS to ordain homosexuals who took vows of celibacy, that has changed. I agree they should have NEVER taken homosexuals Protestants, on the other hand, ordain NON-CELIBATE homosexuals and even elevate them to the level of bishop.
At least those that do are honest.. the Catholic church has been doing this for 20 years or more, they knew the men were gay, they knew many were sexually active and now we know that they also knew kids were being abused.. rules mean nothing it they are ignored.
I don't dispute that, I'm talking about Protestants actually CHANGING the rules to fit a secular agenda.
So ignoring the rules is more honorable and holy than being open about your sin ?
"What is done in the dark will come to the light"
The catholic church has zero credibility to criticize the practices of any other church..even the mormons
Anyhow, have fun with the rest of the thread, I'm done with it. I've done hundreds of these, nothing ever gets accomplished (unless one counts the occasional anti-Catholic exposing themselves.
I do enjoy your posts on these threads, you are one of the few who actually seems to consider what you are saying and doesn't either cut & paste from some online anti-Catholic clearinghouse or devolve into gibberish.
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