Posted on 04/30/2010 8:03:48 AM PDT by Quix
INDEED.
Words were the only ways I dared fight growing up.
I and other reformers post from the Gospels consistently. Perhaps RC apologists miss those posts because they do not read their Bibles and so the truth is unfamiliar to them.
Further, Bible-believing Christians don't end their Bibles at John nor begin them with Matthew, as so many RC apologists seem content to do.
"And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." -- John 6:35-40 "Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." -- Matthew 12:48-50 "Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
If the Reformation was actually based upon a cohesive set of doctrines there would be ONE Protestant Church.
There is one Christian church of Jesus Christ on earth, and that church grows daily as He gathers His sheep to Him by the word and will of God.
Fruit-wise, the RCC is heading in the wrong direction.
As as for Luke 1:48, reread (or read for the first time) the above verses by Christ from Matthew. Indeed, Mary was blessed by God to carry the Christ child to term. Anything more added to the simple words of Scripture is idolatry. Christ's family are all those who believe in His name as Lord, God and Savior.
You and I are just as blessed as Mary because pregnancy is not the rule and measure of salvation; God's grace through faith in Christ alone redeems our sinful hearts and identifies us as His "brother and sister and mother."
The Bible is to be understood in its totality. Where one verse is unclear, others will clarify it. Mary was blessed by God, just as all Christians are blessed by God when they are given faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior; when their sins are blotted out by Christ's sacrifice on the cross and God remembers them no more; when God declares them righteous according to the righteousness of Christ within them, freely and mercifully imputed to them.
Jesus never referred to Mary as "mother." Instead he called her "woman."
Rome would do well to follow Christ and not the paganism of the cults of Isis and Cybele from which this blasphemous Mariology sprang.
But this passage makes one thing very clear, we worship God by the way we live, NOT by what we say.
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Which is WHY it is sooooo
OBVIOUS
that
MANY Roman Catholics et al
have a VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM giving Mary
VERY inordinate adoration, veneration AND WORSHIP.
What a slightly clever cop-out.
Doesn’t wash at all but nice try.
And notice that it got significantly derailed from its original topic.
If they admit to it, then it proves our point.
If they deny it, then they are at odds with the Church which has condoned it.
Yep. And it is exactly that internal conflict which produces anger and frustration and foot-stomping and empty accusations of "hate-mongering" and "bigotry.
More from Isaiah 44...
That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish" -- Isaiah 44:24-25 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Amen.
And what I observe is some, though not all, thankfully, Roman Catholic Freepers do little more than condemn, disparage, mock, belittle and look down the nose at anyone who is NOT Roman Catholic and kowtow to ALL that has been deemed DOGMA.
It seems that no matter what the topic at hand, some are unable to defend their point and stand on it but instead go to the next step and drag out the tired, ragged, ANCIENT condemnations of "heretic", "bigot", "hater", "anti-". How childish!
Here's a personal opinion - everybody take off your "martyr" hats when you come to the RF or stick to the devotional or caucus posts.
ROTFLOL.
I went back through your recent posts and I would say that about 25% of your posts that post Scripture are from the Gospels. However, I also noticed that you seem to prefer commentaries on the Bible nearly as much as you do the Bible itself.
There is one Christian church of Jesus Christ on earth, and that church grows daily as He gathers His sheep to Him by the word and will of God.
Yes, there is ONE Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and I am quite certain that many on the FR Religion Forum who claim to be Christians are totally deluded. Among these lost souls I would include those with a proclivty for doing things like fabricating falsehoods.
As as for Luke 1:48, reread (or read for the first time) the above verses by Christ from Matthew. Indeed, Mary was blessed by God to carry the Christ child to term. Anything more added to the simple words of Scripture is idolatry.
So, you don't count yourself among all generations?
I thought it was obvious . . . however, perhaps no one but Joya knows . . .
I very rarely even go to even the kosher-to-FR stites. I sometimes briefly scan them when referred to them by Prottys. Occasionally I may copy something from them and more rarely use it in a post.
The huge majority of my posts--90%+?--arise from the curious space between my ears--and from Scripture--and from what I glean
FROM THE ROMAN CATHOLICS ET AL HEREON!
I'm not all that impressed with most other sites. Very few of them say the sorts of things I want to say. Far fewer say anything in the WAY I would want to say it. So I don't bother.
BESIDES, for me, it's far more fun to fling my fingers at the keys and FREEP along.
CERTAINLY YOU CAN BE 100% CERTAIN that I've not been to the forbidden sites and copied even any ideas from them. I don't bother. They are pretty offensive TO ME.
Sooooooooooo, nice try at yet ANOTHER bearing false witness.
"Rome fails in comparison..."
"Roman Catholic apologists exhibit such ignorance..."
"Evangelizing" from the negative is the modus operandi of the FReformed. It's not what the Reformed can offer, but only what the Reformed despises, which offers subjective bias; not objective truth.
I am disregarding the cut and paste at the end of the post. I consider it an transparently insincere and inadequate attempt to refute my observation..
We do look it up, that seems to be what’s causing some catholics the greatest difficulty. Is Mary the tree of life for example? Is she the “firstborn” of every creature? And so on, and so on, and so on. And if she is, if she does in your theology, usurp all the roles that belong to Christ, then defend why it’s so, or you believe that it’s so and proper. Calling people “bigots” for asking serious theological questions is childish behavior and doesn’t belong on a religion forum.
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INDEED.
. . . is seriously 2-year-old-thumb-sucking-super-pouting-foot-stomping-writhing-in-the-floor-fit-throwing
childish behavior that doesn’t really belong anywhere at all.
INDEED.
WELL PUT.
THX.
1Cr 1:18 — For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Here's a challenge for you, find the last time a Catholic posted a thread for the express purpose of proving the Reformation/Protestantism to be wrong.
>>Sooooooooooo, nice try at yet ANOTHER bearing false witness<<
Wait. This was a post in response to mine. It was a genuine question to the mod.
Are you responding to me? Saying I’m bearing false witness? Cause seriously, I had another poster in mind.
Actually, from what I’ve encountered, the Catholics don’t generally tell you what they do believe, but rather what they don’t.
Someone will provide a source to back up a point they’re making and all I’ll see is *Catholics don’t believe that*, instead of telling us what they do believe and correcting the error.
Almost always in the negative, virtually never in the positive.
Well if Catholics aren’t going to refute the error with positive (this is what they believe) instead of negative (that’s not what they believe), then everyone else can justifiably conclude that it was not error after all. It just puts it to the level of opinion with no fact to back it up.
Who are you?
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