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To: dartuser
The demonstration part is fairly trivial ...

No historian records the events of "A" ... period.

Josephus records the events extensively.

If you assume (and you ARE assuming it) that the events in Matt 24 are past events, then Daniel and Revelation, the minor prophets, Psalms ... just about every prophecy has been fulfilled.

I would argue that I am "assuming" very little - just because my deductive reasoning leads in a different direction than yours doesn't mean I have none. But yes, given that the events of Matthew 24 are past events, the same is true of the other prophecies.

Can you point me to a historian who records when Jesus Christ came in the clouds of heaven? Don't see any mention of stars falling from the sky, or the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven in Josephus. Don't recall Josephus reminding us that after the coming in the clouds Jesus received the earthly kingdom, and all nations then started serving Him. Seems like to this day you wont find anyone in Saudi Arabia serving him ... wouldnt you see that as a clear violation of "all nations" ...

Josephus records it in some detail. Our difference stems from different ways of understanding the text.

Since all the tribes will have morned when they saw him in 70 AD, its probably a double good idea to have a couple of historians in different parts of the world ... since this is a global event for everyone to see.

I would argue that this is a case of expecting the Bible to be speaking in our terms and following our way of thinking. We are not the primary audience of most of the Bible.

195 posted on 04/20/2010 12:17:36 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: xjcsa
We are not the primary audience of most of the Bible.

Which is precisely why a valid hermeneutic must focus on authorial intent, not what it means to a reader ... in any century.

Can you honestly say that the apostles, after seeing the transfiguration, the resurrection, the ascension ... and the angel saying he would return in the same way ... in plain view ... that the second coming was in 70 AD?

Josephus records the events extensively

Since "A" includes all the events ... and you claim Josephus records them extensively ... please reference just the one. Please reference the passage where Josephus documents the "coming in the clouds of the Son of Man" ... "with great power and glory" ...

197 posted on 04/20/2010 12:35:15 PM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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