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To: MarkBsnr; Forest Keeper
If you read Paul through our Nicean understanding of the Trinity, Paul simply teaches at worst subordinationalism. Paul's verses fit within our understanding of the Triune God; they do not teach it completely.

Right on the money, Mark. You have to be aware that Protestant definition of the Holy Trinity does not necessarily correspond to the Nicean understanding of the universal Church. Theirs is, in fact, often subrdinaitonalist, especially when it comes to the Holy Spirit, whom Paul hardy even mentions. Paul's suboridnaitonalism is strictly of the Son. To him the HS is the third fiddle, and only the Father is called God.

This is yet another reason why those who teach that Paul is the theology, while the Gospels are the chronicles, are wrong

Those who teach that Paul is theology (Protestants) profess Paulianity and not Christianity.

2,423 posted on 04/27/2010 6:52:57 PM PDT by kosta50 (The world is the way it is even if YOU don't understand it)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
You have to be aware that Protestant definition of the Holy Trinity does not necessarily correspond to the Nicean understanding of the universal Church. Theirs is, in fact, often subrdinaitonalist, especially when it comes to the Holy Spirit, whom Paul hardy even mentions. Paul's suboridnaitonalism is strictly of the Son. To him the HS is the third fiddle, and only the Father is called God.

Third fiddle? A mere messenger boy or robot slave (hmm, that reminds me of Calvinist theology) of either Jesus the subordinate, or the Father. If the Father raises Jesus from the dead, and sends Jesus, and approves of Jesus to the crowds, and gives Jesus all his power, then Jesus must obviously be subordinate to the Father, right? Those who teach that Paul is theology (Protestants) profess Paulianity and not Christianity.

This was condemned 1700 years ago.

2,429 posted on 04/27/2010 7:40:09 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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2,442 posted on 04/27/2010 8:11:04 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper

“To him the HS is the third fiddle, and only the Father is called God.”

Paul in his writings has a high view of the person and work of the Holy Spirit; equating him with God and using his name interchangeably with God.

1 Cor. 2:10, “God has revealed those things to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches everything, especially the deep things of God.”

Rom. 8:26-27, “At the same time the Spirit also helps us in our weakness, because we don’t know how to pray for what we need. But the Spirit intercedes along with our groans that cannot be expressed in words. The one who searches our hearts knows what the Spirit has in mind. The Spirit intercedes for God’s people the way God wants him to”.

1 Cor. 3:16, “Don’t you know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?”

1 Cor. 6:19, “Don’t you know that your body is a temple that belongs to the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit, whom you received from God, lives in you. You don’t belong to yourselves.”

Rom. 8:2, “The standards of the Spirit, who gives life through Christ Jesus, have set you free from the standards of sin and death.”

Rom. 15:30, “Brothers and sisters, I encourage you through our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love that the Spirit creates, to join me in my struggle. Pray to God for me “

2 Cor. 13:14, “May the Lord Jesus Christ’s good will, God’s love, and the Holy Spirit’s presence be with all of you!”

1 Cor. 12:5-7, “There are different ways of serving, and yet the same Lord is served. There are different types of work to do, but the same God produces every gift in every person. The evidence of the Spirit’s presence is given to each person for the common good of everyone.”


2,444 posted on 04/27/2010 8:29:06 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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