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To: HarleyD
How can you possibly be making a claim that Paul’s verse, written by the Holy Spirit and directed by God, does not support the Christian Trinitarian view? What that is saying is that God doesn’t support the Trinitarian view and directed Paul to write it. You either have to accept the fact that all scripture is God-breathed and fits together, or simply reject it. Paul’s view cannot be contrary to the rest of the scriptures.

I'm not saying that Paul is a rejection of the rest of Scriptures. I'm saying that you cannot put a proof together of the Athenasian Creed, for instance, from Paul's works. I'm saying, and have supplied some examples, that Paul's writings support a subordinationalist viewpoint.

I wish that you could prove me wrong. Will you take on that task and compare Pauls subordinationalist verses with his Trinitarian ones? I would be grateful. If you could construct the Athenasian Creed's definition of the Trinity, that would be even better.

1,541 posted on 04/25/2010 1:55:01 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I wish that you could prove me wrong. Will you take on that task and compare Pauls subordinationalist verses with his Trinitarian ones? I would be grateful. If you could construct the Athenasian Creed's definition of the Trinity, that would be even better.

I would simply point out what Peter stated:

1) Peter calls Paul a beloved brother.

2) Peter acknowledges the wisdom of God given to Paul.

3) Even Peter didn't quite understand everything that Paul was saying but he verifies that it was true.

4) Ungodly people (ignorant and unstable) twist the meaning of Paul's writings to their own destruction.

5) Peter equates Paul's writings with all the other scripture giving it the same level of infallibility as the Old Testament.

Now if Peter said all of this in two verses, don't you think we'd better listen up? It doesn't matter if you can or cannot put together the Athenasian Creed from Paul's writings. The Athenasian Creed, though we accept it as true, is NOT inspired writing. Paul's writings are. We have it confirmed by Peter.

Can you show me where Peter confirmed the Athenasian Creed? Not that I doubt it but if we know the Athenasian Creed to be true and Paul's writings to be inspired, the Athenasian Creed then must be subordinate to Paul's writings.

1,727 posted on 04/25/2010 6:08:20 PM PDT by HarleyD
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