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To: MarkBsnr

Jesus spent three years teaching His disciples.

Peter was instructed to be a shepherd as all the apostles were and there is nothing in Scripture where Peter makes any special claims about himself nor does he leave any instructions about who is to be his successor.

Only Jesus has the power to forgive sins.

I Timothy 2:5For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.

Four hundred years between Christ and the establishment of the RD church is a long time to be without anything but word of mouth. No wonder the church relies so heavily on its tradition to justify its claims.

Considering the history of the church and the corruption of the popes for so many centuries, I’d say that is a pretty strong argument against any claims of special dispensation.

What’s interesting is that when Protestants have moral failure the Catholics are quick to point out why that is a reason they shouldn’t rely on just Scripture but need church authority to correct it, but it doesn’t seem like the Catholic church did a very good job of correcting its own moral shortcomings nor has their claims to special authority kept it from anything that nay other church has had to deal with.


1,290 posted on 04/24/2010 7:41:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Matthew 16: 8 When Jesus went into the region of Caesarea Philippi 9 he asked his disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" 14 They replied, "Some say John the Baptist, 10 others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 11 Simon Peter said in reply, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God." 17 Jesus said to him in reply, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood 12 has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18 And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matthew 18: 11 "If your brother 12 sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. 16 13 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that 'every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. 14 If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. 18 15 Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 20: 19 11 12 On the evening of that first day of the week, when the doors were locked, where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "Peace be with you." 20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. 13 The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord. 21 14 (Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." 22 15 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit. 23 16 Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained."

The Apostles, as the clergy of the new Church were given to power to forgive sins.

Four hundred years between Christ and the establishment of the RD church is a long time to be without anything but word of mouth. No wonder the church relies so heavily on its tradition to justify its claims.

I don't know what an RD church is, but Matthew was written ca. AD 60 and John was written ca. AD 90. Hardly 400 years.

1,293 posted on 04/24/2010 7:48:07 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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